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From Harry Metske <>
Subject Re: JSPWiki & Apache Incubation?
Date Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:49:11 GMT
I also think that we can say (after 3 years) that incubation has failed.
We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
time for the project either anymore.
So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)

kind regards,

2012/1/2 Janne Jalkanen <>

> Folks,
> it seems that we haven't been able to produce an Apache-ready version of
> JSPWiki for over three (four?) years now. 3.0 was obviously too complex to
> deliver, and it's still badly broken. It would need a lot of work to
> refactor into a state where it would actually be usable, and I don't know
> whether anyone has the time to do it.  So far it seems that we're not
> getting a whole lot of new contributors.
> So what I'm proposing is fairly radical: let's forget about Apache and
> move over to GitHub. GitHub's contribution model is simpler (pull requests
> are easier to create and handle than patches on JIRA tickets), and we don't
> have to worry about preparing governance reports and that sort of stuff.
> The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
> can create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more
> than increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the
> time nor the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's
> wrong to say that our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should
> consider some other avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache
> Incubator.
> Of course, now is the time for people to step up and say that "yes, I am
> willing to take charge and turn JSPWiki into a good Apache Top Level
> project." :-D I would welcome such people, but I know I don't have it in me
> anymore.
> /Janne

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