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From Florian Holeczek <>
Subject Re: JSPWiki & Apache Incubation?
Date Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:52:12 GMT
Hello Harry,

regarding the steering point: I think the task is now to do things like road maps and release
plans more explicitly in the broad community. I doubt that it will be possible to find some
architecturally strong steering person in the near future - but I don't think of this as a
real problem, as long as we take a new approach.
So far, "do-ocracy" has been working great, because of few main drivers in the project. In
the future, there will probably be smaller contributions from (hopefully) several sides. This
means that architectural decisions will really have to be explicitly made in the community
- know what I mean?


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Von: "Harry Metske" <>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Januar 2012 18:46:27
Betreff: Re: JSPWiki & Apache Incubation?


if you are willing to take charge of the graduation related tasks, that
sure would help, and we also need someone taking initiatives a give some
steering to us.
I could spend a few hours a week on a few technical related tasks , so I
think we should give graduation a last chance.
Any more people with a bit of time left for JSPWiki ?  Dirk ?


2012/1/4 Florian Holeczek <>

> Hi all,
> let me simply copy&paste my former post from the private list here and
> then pick up some points from the further discussion on the dev list:
> Our community likes the 2.8 series for its stability and simplicity.
> Therefore, maintaining the 2.8 branch at least for a longer while is
> something that really makes sense.
> Another fact is that the key developers of 3.0 are very busy with other
> things, which means that it's quite hard to tell when it will be possible
> to release a stable 3.0.
> However, the current plan still is to graduate with a 3.0 alpha and retire
> 2.8 as soon as possible. Quite obviously this isn't likely to work.
> This is why I think it makes sense to proceed in smaller steps (but
> proceed!) and so I've been wondering whether there are any objections to
> making version 2.8.5 an Apache release.
> As far as I can see, most of the required changes (e.g. rewrite of
> PageRenamer and IndexPlugin) are part of the 2.8 branch already. Some
> things aren't though, e.g. the package name change (is this required?) and
> removal of author tags in the source code.
> So, looking at the discussion so far, I'm happy to see that we still do
> have a stable community. Also, our mentor is still believing that
> graduation can succeed. Therefore, it still makes sense to graduate.
> @Janne: Thinking of your personal situation, I can fully understand your
> proposal to move over to GitHub. JSPWiki is your baby, and so you've always
> been seen as the natural project leader - of course associated with all of
> the corresponding work. From the current point of view, it'd be the least
> time-consuming solution to move over to GitHub. But, we've all been putting
> so much effort in the incubation process, it'd be a pity if this became
> worthless just because the last steps are hard to go. I, for one, am not
> thinking of GitHub as an alternative to Apache in every aspect.
> Look at the Apache Roller project. They have similar problems:
> * mature project
> * small number of committers who have little time
> And: They succeed. It's a healthy project which users and developers can
> trust in.
> I think it was our mentor who said that it'd be always up to the project
> how fast it wants to proceed. So, the recent slowdown is nothing that
> should be scaring us.
> Regarding graduation with a 2.8, I think there are mainly organizational,
> infrastructure and smaller code maintenance tasks left.
> So, assumed that there are quite some people left willing to finish
> graduation, I'd be willing to take charge of the related tasks.
> However, I'm no JSPWiki 3.0 architect like Janne or Andrew, so I won't be
> able to take parts related to this category at least in the medium term.
> Regards
>  Florian

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