Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-jspwiki-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 29810 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 07:26:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 07:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 845 invoked by uid 500); 28 Oct 2008 07:26:09 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-jspwiki-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 830 invoked by uid 500); 28 Oct 2008 07:26:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jspwiki-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 819 invoked by uid 99); 28 Oct 2008 07:26:09 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:26:09 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of murray07@altheim.com designates 69.90.72.72 as permitted sender) Received: from [69.90.72.72] (HELO athens.clusterspan.net) (69.90.72.72) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:24:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 5308 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 03:24:33 -0400 Received: from ip-118-90-31-15.xdsl.xnet.co.nz (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (118.90.31.15) by athens.clusterspan.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 03:24:32 -0400 Message-ID: <4906BE2D.7060501@altheim.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:24:29 +1300 From: Murray Altheim User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (JSPWIKI-376) Move from log4j to slf4j References: <884757808.1224883906151.JavaMail.jira@brutus> <4906314F.8040405@altheim.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Janne Jalkanen wrote: >> I've come out before against adding Yet Another Logging Package (YALP) to >> our set of jar files, and while I'd still really prefer to avoid doing >> that I thought I would offer support for going with java.util.logging, in >> that if JSPWiki relied entirely on it I'd be willing (and relatively >> happy) to go to the trouble of moving my own code over to that for the >> same reasons as you state: I'd like to remove unnecessary dependencies >> and reduce the overall weight of my installations. The redundancies of >> the current situation are likewise frustrating. > > Unfortunately, java.util.logging does not reduce our dependencies at > all. Some external jars that we have require commons logging, some > require log4j, so we can't get rid of those. > > Moving to jabsorb in preference of jsonrpc lib means that we have to > *add* another set of logging libraries, namely slf4j. > > java.util.logging does not really help the situation at all (and in > fact, makes it worse, since j.u.l does not support multiple logging > configurations per jvm, which is pretty much a showstopper for my own > installations, for example.) Janne, Yes, in reading further along in the thread I have come to understand this situation. Yuck. I looked over the j.u.l documentation to see if there was perhaps some loophole but if there is it's not obvious; seems there's one LogManager per JVM. Sorry I have little else to add... Murray ........................................................................... Murray Altheim === = = http://www.altheim.com/murray/ = = === SGML Grease Monkey, Banjo Player, Wantanabe Zen Monk = = = = Boundless wind and moon - the eye within eyes, Inexhaustible heaven and earth - the light beyond light, The willow dark, the flower bright - ten thousand houses, Knock at any door - there's one who will respond. -- The Blue Cliff Record