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From: Janne Jalkanen <Janne.Jalkanen@ecyrd.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to TitleBlock.jsp?
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:37:49 +0200
To: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org


Let's discuss this in the 2.8 scope.  I don't want to confuse 2.6.1  
with a major change like this.

Murray, the templating system should take care of this for you.  Just  
create your own ViewTemplate.jsp and add a TitleBlock there.  Or  
create your own Header.jsp.  I don't see this as something which  
should be added to the default template, since we already have a nice  
extensibility mechanism for exactly these kinds of proprietary needs.

/Janne

On 31 Jan 2008, at 23:30, Murray Altheim wrote:

> Dirk Frederickx wrote:
>> Murray,
>> What are the things you can do with the TitleBlock.jsp and can't do
>> with a wiki page ?
>
> Well, there's at least two things:
>
>   1. You can do anything a JSP can do that a wiki page can't do, which
>      as you know is quite a lot. This is about a lot more than simply
>      formatting. Via use of markup and JSP-based code it's certainly
>      possible to design more complicated text and graphics for a site
>      header, which is by far the most common design component of a
>      corporate (e.g., government, commercial, education) web site.  
> Most
>      corporate entities want to be able to distinctly brand their  
> sites,
>      and this is by far the best means to guarantee site branding.
>
>   2. You can set a title block with complex formatting and information
>      that you DON'T want edited by anyone and is likely designed by an
>      outside design contractor, since it is part of corporate  
> identity.
>      For example, for one of my projects I'll be handing over the
>      complete design of the title block to a design firm. We don't
>      want either site admins or wiki users to be able to edit the JSP
>      after the design is complete. So this is also about having  
> control
>      over the title block.
>
>> When you need to go and change your jsp's , just to be able to have a
>> new newsmessage on your site, is not very practical.
>
> Once a site is up I *never* need to change the title block JSP. That's
> the entire point of having it. If I want a news message to occur in
> the title block I can include a news page or code to incorporate a
> news feed (ala The Guardian's scrolling text) via JSP, something I
> can't do via wiki text. I'd generally want that news information to
> be processed and/or formatted especially for a very specific part of
> the header, not simply be wiki text that is mixed in with the brand
> information.
>
>> There has never been a TitleBlock.jsp in cvs.  I opted to go for a
>> wiki-page from the start. Sorry that this was not clear to you.
>
> In the discussions from last year that did not seem to be the case. I
> was under the impression (confirmed by reading the emails again) that
> there was agreement that the title block was a good idea, and that it
> was only due to my failure that it's not currently in CVS. Is this to
> your mind a closed issue? I thought that this was a team effort and
> that we all had input.
>
> Given that when the title block is by default hidden this has  
> literally
> no impact in the existing design, could we please add it to the  
> design?
> It's the addition of one very simple JSP to the package, one line in
> Header.jsp to include it, and a single CSS statement to hide it. The
> wiki page approach does not work for any site that requires strong
> branding or requires JSP features, i.e., beyond what a wiki page and
> CSS alone can provide (which is for all of my clients minimal).
>
> Murray
>
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