Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-jena-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 68323 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2011 12:18:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Feb 2011 12:18:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3277 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2011 12:18:48 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-jena-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3235 invoked by uid 500); 18 Feb 2011 12:18:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jena-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: jena-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list jena-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3225 invoked by uid 99); 18 Feb 2011 12:18:46 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:18:46 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.175] (HELO mail-wy0-f175.google.com) (74.125.82.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:18:36 +0000 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so3403196wyb.6 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 04:18:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5lARcm5g8SMiZi3EGQ+0QPAgqV4fb6R8up0+Fcs5Nag=; b=F0ccAIrj7DOHUirR2OFSI8BhcAwkHE1cV5s81LFDpBo2LfmGwZqEmiDzpNPilFik65 28GBwUdQFvOJcvt0uItfLNBBpKG8+ExlKgD4uQP1Rc+Qh541eICcrKwZOo25scMXxFNm iwv1ck1USay/QW9UGSVRE6awnDU22SJHAw6u0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=phbW9JJ+nTMKJeEstJI3Ig4zbQ+2sl2pzTbmlfq32H5xI4V2np5qlJxaqahS0lP46/ l549dgAL8iG1z5POQ1jp/RxCyWWwFlwSTg/dhWca758PbGOeaVfrsSSV6GECnawIGLBZ yA1sdo/bxTteulvujG4QgBoVY9t6mBebe+RC8= Received: by 10.227.134.204 with SMTP id k12mr549495wbt.161.1298031496206; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 04:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.51] (82-69-1-248.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.1.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm1564719wbg.12.2011.02.18.04.18.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 04:18:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Jena documentation - new structure working notes From: Dave Reynolds To: jena-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <4D5D842A.4040605@googlemail.com> References: <4D59C935.9070202@epimorphics.com> <4D5D1C7A.6060301@googlemail.com> <4D5D2967.20803@epimorphics.com> <4D5D43A4.2070008@googlemail.com> <4D5D5EC1.1000507@epimorphics.com> <4D5D719B.4030604@googlemail.com> <4D5D7E96.8010507@epimorphics.com> <4D5D842A.4040605@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:18:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1298031493.2733.58.camel@dave-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 20:25 +0000, Paolo Castagna wrote: > > Ian Dickinson wrote: > > Hi Paolo, > > > > On 17/02/11 19:06, Paolo Castagna wrote: > >> Do you or someone else have a strong argument against having a section > >> named "Getting Involved" | "Community" as last link in the global > >> navigation? > > I seem to have difficulty making this clear. There is in the proposed > > structure, and should remain, a section for supporting Jena developers. > > "Getting involved" is a perfectly fine title, and indeed is the one I > > used in the mock-up I was working on this afternoon. > > > > So: quite the opposite of strong objection, I'm strongly in favour. As I > > have been since the beginning. > > > > In a nutshell, all I'm objecting to is downplaying the need to make > > access to the documentation better for regular users, because I still > > think that's the dominant use case. > > All fine, then. > > There is a lot of existing content to migrate to the section(s) relative > to the documentation, I continue to call them "Getting Started" and > "Documentation", how many and how are they called in the mock-up? > > This is what we saw, so far: > > Homepage > +-- About > +-- Learn > +-- Guides > +-- In-Depth > +-- Tools > +-- News > +-- Javadoc > +-- Extras > +-- Developers > > Dave suggestion was: > > Homepage > +-- About > +-- Getting started > +-- Tutorials > +-- In-Depth|Documentation|Reference > +-- Tools > +-- Javadoc > +-- Extras > +-- News > +-- Developers Not quite, I also proposed that there be a download section :) and retained Ian's second level structure for the In-Depth Documentation. > I proposed: > > Homepage > +-- About (http://incubator.apache.org/jena/about/) > +-- Download ([...]/download/) > +-- Getting Started ([...]/getting-started/) > +-- Documentation ([...]/documentation/) > +-- Getting Involved|Community ([...]/community/) It seems like we are only one iteration or two from agreeing on a top level structure and substructure but please can we do this first! I see a large number of threads which seem to be based on an assumed structure and approach which I'm finding hard to parse. I can't tell which of the differences between your suggestion and the previous ones are important to you and which are accidental. For example are you advocating there be no News section or just happen to have missed it off your list? Does a consolidated suggestion like this work? +-- About +-- Download [Includes Maven] +-- Getting started [Small number of short guides.] +-- Tutorials [Would include topic tutorial (such as the existing RDF & SPARQL ones) as well as cross-cutting tutorials (such as Ian's working with Jena under Eclipse)] [I would also put the critical HOW TOs here (IO, Frames, Assembler) but they could be in a section under the detailed documentation] +-- Documentation +-- javadoc +-- RDF +-- Query +-- TDB +-- SDB +-- Serving data (Fuseki) +-- Ontology +-- Inference +-- tools +-- extras +-- Community [Should include roadmap, guidance on patch submission, links to trackers etc.] +-- News Dave