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From Erik Bengtson <e...@jpox.org>
Subject Re: Future of Imperius
Date Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:11:23 GMT
By the way, I'm an independent committer.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Erik Bengtson <erik@jpox.org> wrote:
> I would like to contribute more, but there is no clear roadmap/vision.
> I keep asking to myself, if imperius is already full featured and only
> needs maintenance and support ?
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:55 PM, David Wood <dawood@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> +1, I'm debugging through Java bindings as we speak...
>>
>> David Wood
>> Policy Technologies Group
>> IBM TJ Watson Research Center
>> dawood@us.ibm.com
>> 914-784-5123 (office), 914-396-6515 (mobile)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@Sun.COM>
>> To:
>> imperius-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Date:
>> 03/24/2010 01:39 PM
>> Subject:
>> Re: Future of Imperius
>> Sent by:
>> Craig.Russell@Sun.COM
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like the community is small (11 committers including 4
>> mentors), but they have been able to produce a release that was voted
>> and shipped. Not a small task considering everything.
>>
>> I'd say it's time to see if there is enough diversity and an
>> interested enough community to graduate Imperius as a top level
>> project. I don't see another TLP that would be a good fit.
>>
>> The diversity standard is three committers independent of each other.
>>  From what I know, there are two major organizations, Sun(Oracle) and
>> IBM who are involved, and I know there are unaffiliated committers,
>> but I don't know the affiliations of most of the non-Sun(Oracle), non-
>> IBM folks.
>>
>> Who is out there who is interested in continuing to be part of the
>> community? Please speak up now. Like by April 1.
>>
>> I agree with Kevan that we should announce the result of this thread
>> in our April report to the incubator and make a decision by July on
>> whether to shut this down or graduate it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Oops. Let this slip by without responding... Apologies.
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 1:59 PM, David L Kaminsky wrote:
>>>> I think the lack of response to this e-mail kind of summarizes the
>>>> state pretty well.
>>>>
>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> IMO, Imperius is an excellent implementation of a policy engine,
>>>> but either (a) it hasn't been well publicized, so only a small
>>>> number of groups are using it, or (b) there is currently only a
>>>> small group of potential users. Or some of both.
>>>>
>>> To be clear, my comments / questions have nothing to do with the
>>> quality of the Imperius implementation nor with any of the
>>> committers on the project.
>>>>
>>>> That puts the project in an intermediate state -- a small user
>>>> base, perhaps growing very slowing, but with no immediate
>>>> expectation of accelerating growth.
>>>>
>>>> If there were a substantial cost to keeping Imperius going, I think
>>>> it would make sense to shut it down. However, I don't think that's
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>> Unless there's a clear reason to shut it down -- and perhaps there
>>>> is one -- I'd suggest just seeing how it goes for awhile. I'd also
>>>> wonder if there are ways to better publicize the work.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, just my 2 cents ...
>>>>
>>> Apache is interested in fostering healthy, diverse, meritocratic
>>> communities around open source projects. Incubation is not intended
>>> to be a never-ending process. I think we should put a timeline for
>>> making a community decision.
>>>
>>> Our next board report is April. The subsequent report is July. I
>>> propose we make the July Incubator board report a target for
>>> reaching a decision about what we think should happen to the
>>> Imperius community.
>>>
>>> What do others think?
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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