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From David Wood <>
Subject Re: Future of Imperius
Date Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:55:23 GMT
+1, I'm debugging through Java bindings as we speak...

David Wood 
Policy Technologies Group
IBM TJ Watson Research Center
914-784-5123 (office), 914-396-6515 (mobile)

Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@Sun.COM>
03/24/2010 01:39 PM
Re: Future of Imperius
Sent by:

It looks like the community is small (11 committers including 4 
mentors), but they have been able to produce a release that was voted 
and shipped. Not a small task considering everything.

I'd say it's time to see if there is enough diversity and an 
interested enough community to graduate Imperius as a top level 
project. I don't see another TLP that would be a good fit.

The diversity standard is three committers independent of each other. 
 From what I know, there are two major organizations, Sun(Oracle) and 
IBM who are involved, and I know there are unaffiliated committers, 
but I don't know the affiliations of most of the non-Sun(Oracle), non- 
IBM folks.

Who is out there who is interested in continuing to be part of the 
community? Please speak up now. Like by April 1.

I agree with Kevan that we should announce the result of this thread 
in our April report to the incubator and make a decision by July on 
whether to shut this down or graduate it.


On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:

> Oops. Let this slip by without responding... Apologies.
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 1:59 PM, David L Kaminsky wrote:
>> I think the lack of response to this e-mail kind of summarizes the 
>> state pretty well.
> :)
>> IMO, Imperius is an excellent implementation of a policy engine, 
>> but either (a) it hasn't been well publicized, so only a small 
>> number of groups are using it, or (b) there is currently only a 
>> small group of potential users. Or some of both.
> To be clear, my comments / questions have nothing to do with the 
> quality of the Imperius implementation nor with any of the 
> committers on the project.
>> That puts the project in an intermediate state -- a small user 
>> base, perhaps growing very slowing, but with no immediate 
>> expectation of accelerating growth.
>> If there were a substantial cost to keeping Imperius going, I think 
>> it would make sense to shut it down. However, I don't think that's 
>> true.
>> Unless there's a clear reason to shut it down -- and perhaps there 
>> is one -- I'd suggest just seeing how it goes for awhile. I'd also 
>> wonder if there are ways to better publicize the work.
>> Anyway, just my 2 cents ...
> Apache is interested in fostering healthy, diverse, meritocratic 
> communities around open source projects. Incubation is not intended 
> to be a never-ending process. I think we should put a timeline for 
> making a community decision.
> Our next board report is April. The subsequent report is July. I 
> propose we make the July Incubator board report a target for 
> reaching a decision about what we think should happen to the 
> Imperius community.
> What do others think?
> --kevan

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
408 276-5638
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

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