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From Xiping Wang <xip...@us.ibm.com>
Subject Re: Future of Imperius
Date Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:12:14 GMT

+1, great! we have three independent participants.

Xiping Wang
IBM T.J.Watson Research Center


                                                                                         
                                                         
  From:       "Mark A. Carlson" <Mark.Carlson@Sun.COM>                             
                                                               
                                                                                         
                                                         
  To:         imperius-dev@incubator.apache.org                                          
                                                         
                                                                                         
                                                         
  Date:       03/24/2010 01:47 PM                                                        
                                                         
                                                                                         
                                                         
  Subject:    Re: Future of Imperius                                                     
                                                         
                                                                                         
                                                         
  Sent by:    Mark.Carlson@Sun.COM                                                       
                                                         
                                                                                         
                                                         





+1

Oracle is still participating.

-- mark

On 3/24/10 11:38 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> It looks like the community is small (11 committers including 4
> mentors), but they have been able to produce a release that was voted
> and shipped. Not a small task considering everything.
>
> I'd say it's time to see if there is enough diversity and an
> interested enough community to graduate Imperius as a top level
> project. I don't see another TLP that would be a good fit.
>
> The diversity standard is three committers independent of each other.
> From what I know, there are two major organizations, Sun(Oracle) and
> IBM who are involved, and I know there are unaffiliated committers,
> but I don't know the affiliations of most of the non-Sun(Oracle),
> non-IBM folks.
>
> Who is out there who is interested in continuing to be part of the
> community? Please speak up now. Like by April 1.
>
> I agree with Kevan that we should announce the result of this thread
> in our April report to the incubator and make a decision by July on
> whether to shut this down or graduate it.
>
> Craig
>
> On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>
>> Oops. Let this slip by without responding... Apologies.
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 1:59 PM, David L Kaminsky wrote:
>>> I think the lack of response to this e-mail kind of summarizes the
>>> state pretty well.
>>>
>> :)
>>>
>>> IMO, Imperius is an excellent implementation of a policy engine, but
>>> either (a) it hasn't been well publicized, so only a small number of
>>> groups are using it, or (b) there is currently only a small group of
>>> potential users. Or some of both.
>>>
>> To be clear, my comments / questions have nothing to do with the
>> quality of the Imperius implementation nor with any of the committers
>> on the project.
>>>
>>> That puts the project in an intermediate state -- a small user base,
>>> perhaps growing very slowing, but with no immediate expectation of
>>> accelerating growth.
>>>
>>> If there were a substantial cost to keeping Imperius going, I think
>>> it would make sense to shut it down. However, I don't think that's
>>> true.
>>>
>>> Unless there's a clear reason to shut it down -- and perhaps there
>>> is one -- I'd suggest just seeing how it goes for awhile. I'd also
>>> wonder if there are ways to better publicize the work.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just my 2 cents ...
>>>
>> Apache is interested in fostering healthy, diverse, meritocratic
>> communities around open source projects. Incubation is not intended
>> to be a never-ending process. I think we should put a timeline for
>> making a community decision.
>>
>> Our next board report is April. The subsequent report is July. I
>> propose we make the July Incubator board report a target for reaching
>> a decision about what we think should happen to the Imperius community.
>>
>> What do others think?
>>
>> --kevan
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>


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