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From "Gabe Wachob" <>
Subject RE: Last call; -active- code bases and committers to Heraldry
Date Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:22:17 GMT
And just to be clear, I've expressed interest in java & python
implementations and a willingness to give feedback, patches, etc. Maybe even
be a committer at some point. 

It looks like, however, the thrust of development in these languages is
leaving ASF and I'm just following whatever the primary authors want to do
(in this case, several JanRain employees)... So I haven't spoken up because
I don't have anything to contribute right now, nor do I have a strong
opinion on where the code lives (right now).

I suspect there are others out there in a similar position. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. []
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:21 AM
> To:
> Subject: Last call; -active- code bases and committers to Heraldry
> We have seen several voices speak up about their interest to remain
> connected to heraldry and the codebase they developed to remain here.
> We've also seen several voices speak up and express disinterest in the
> sort
> of community development which the ASF demands of all of it's projects as
> a public, not for profit charity serving the public interests of education
> and open source software.
> In other words, the ASF is not a source code 'parking' or 'hosting'
> service.
> It's a specific approach to collaborative development, and what was
> observed
> at Heraldry for the past many months was less than collaborative, and more
> of a storefront with each window prepared by a different designer.
> The issue was that we've only heard from those shop window designers.
> Until
> recently, all of the decorators have stayed silent and let the window
> designer
> do all their speaking here at the dev list.
> I've seen one generic statement from JanRain about their desire to
> continue
> to operate as a company, not as an open source project, and that is fine
> for their code.  The fact that two people actually had any words all about
> that code base is symptomatic that "elsewhere" is likely to be a better
> fit
> for that code base.  There is lots of commercial open source out there.
> (But
> none developed at the ASF, industry does not have ay drivers seats here.)
> Yet - I still see comments from others-about-others that there is a desire
> to stay.  If YOU have interest, and we have not seen any feedback from YOU
> on the developers list, YOU will not be re-extended participation in any
> reconstituted Heraldry project (as a committer or PPMC member).  If YOU
> want to remain involved, YOU must speak up.  It's that simple.
> A reconstituted Heraldry won't simply be Heraldry minus JanRain code/devs.
> This project needs a full reboot if it's going to move forwards to
> graduate,
> and for now, decide what scope the remaining developers want to purse
> through
> graduation.  More efforts can be added later, more contributors made into
> committers and PPMC members, as time goes on and merit is established.
> Consider this your last-call if you've been waiting to speak up, one way
> or the other.
> Yours,
> Bill

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