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From "Krall, Gary" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Stop incubation of Heraldry
Date Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:19:55 GMT

I am very interested in specifically understanding what IP checks the code in
is missing.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Leung []
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Stop incubation of Heraldry

Whether or not it is a shame is not the issue (and I believe it is a  
shame).  The issue is whether the existing Heraldry developer  
community is able to continue incubation.  The last 6 months of  
history suggest that it is not.

This does not mean there will not be an OpenID project(s) at Apache.   
Go look at the web services projects, where we have several  
implementations of the same protocol stacks.

The ASF is first and foremost concerned about the health of it's  
development communities.   If someone wants to build an Apache  
licensed OpenID stack(s), no one will stop them.   But I think that  
the historical record clearly shows that the current community is not  
healthy, and the silence of the last two weeks or so has just  
reinforced that impression.

Also, none of the code that is currently in the Heraldry SVN has even  
passed the basic ASF IP checks.  I don't know if JanRain and Verisign  
would be interested in helping to clear that IP so that the project  
could go on.


On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Fen Labalme wrote:

> -1
> I echo all of Johannes' comments.
> Johannes Ernst wrote:
>> -1.
>> Grabbing my own nose here for not having contributed more so  
>> far ... but
>> I think it would be a shame.
>> For example, with all the latest OpenID traction (Symantec,  
>> Microsoft,
>> AOL ...) where would other Apache projects (Tomcat, HTTPD, ...) get
>> their OpenID code from? It is a fair bet now that those types of
>> projects would want to incorporate OpenID support natively rather  
>> sooner
>> than later ...
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 20:28, Ted Leung wrote:
>>>> [X  ] +1 - Stop incubation of Heraldry
>>>> [  ] +0 - I don't care
>>>> [  ] -1 - I think Heraldry should continue to incubate.

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