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From "Krall, Gary" <>
Subject RE: about this
Date Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:18:39 GMT
Given that Verisign through a number of sources has contributed code to this project and we
have a number of external sources who are actually using the code that have provided fixes
to it what specifically does this mean? 


From: Scott Kveton []
Sent: Fri 2/9/2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: about this

Hi Ted,

> I'm sorry that you've come to this conclusion, but I understand your
> reasoning.   One thing that's not clear to me is whether you are just
> speaking for yourself or whether you are speaking for the JanRain
> folks as a group?

Kevin is speaking for all of us.  We've spent countless hours
thinking/discussing this and going over what it would mean and this just
seems to be the best solution for JanRain, Apache and the OpenID community
as a whole.

Ted: thanks for working with us through these past months and taking the
chance to mentor this project.

- Scott

> On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Kevin Turner wrote:
>> Dear Heraldry-Dev,
>> I think it's time for me to throw in the towel.  Ted, I appreciate all
>> the patience you've shown with us, and David, your tenacity is most
>> impressive, but...  this thing ain't working out.
>> I liked the idea, in theory.  Even when you work for a company as
>> incredible as JanRain, every once in a while there are little tensions
>> between how an open source project wants to work and how the company
>> wants to work[1].  Having our project -- not just the one at my
>> company,
>> but _all_ the projects laying the foundation for this thing called
>> OpenID -- be under the guidance of the ASF would have been one way to
>> help guide all of us while this grows up.
>> But it was to be a _huge_ transition.  I'm not sure anybody, either
>> the
>> contributors to these projects or our sponsors at Apache, really
>> appreciated just how far away the other side was when we started.  And
>> in the ASF, it seems to be an all-or-nothing kind of deal.
>> So it didn't work.  That's okay.  As Ted has mentioned, the Apache way
>> isn't actually the only way, and I'm confident that we will find a way
>> that works for us.  A couple of us have been tossing around a few
>> ideas,
>> I had some interesting conversations with people at Recent Changes
>> Camp...  we'll come up with something.  If you'd like to help figure
>> that out, let me know.
>> I'd also be happy to participate in more of a retrospective on
>> this, if
>> there's any out there who would find that helpful.
>> Live long and prosper,
>>  - Kevin
>> 1: I am aware that this is a potentially dangerous thing to say what
>> with the recent press hullabaloo, that some wingnut might take my
>> comment about open source and go off the deep end with it, but I
>> really
>> don't want to second-guess everything I write just because some other
>> software shop got involved.  So, please don't be that guy, the one who
>> blows this out of proportion.  That guy doesn't know what he's talking
>> about, and that makes him dumb.

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