From general-return-70452-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Mon Aug 12 21:06:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 57B44180637 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:06:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2324 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2019 21:06:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2313 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2019 21:06:14 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) (10.10.3.159) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:06:14 +0000 Received: from mail-wr1-f43.google.com (mail-wr1-f43.google.com [209.85.221.43]) by mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 7FEC284B4 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f43.google.com with SMTP id p17so105797444wrf.11 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX6hx+m8kpsw3V3nq3hE898ZJbRiZgbxCQTH+GKN+PkhytSCAVn Z4Vuv+5JLJgEKwDtTBf2HPODxCAcg+fV8vDKhEA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwrqewyWWO+K+7gYXvwYm6fpG9woEx2ZnJ6CE/akp/8ao41pGZsXOxLi27HfWpsE+wSjK8qLmzGf+walqnBM4c= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6681:: with SMTP id l1mr1411866wru.258.1565643973867; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:06:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <43712B5E-92B5-4E54-AE27-433330EA9EFA@classsoftware.com> <30EDDBA1-8D3E-4612-A7A4-EEC8D4A969CE@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <30EDDBA1-8D3E-4612-A7A4-EEC8D4A969CE@apache.org> From: Gian Merlino Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:06:01 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just asking To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e843ea058ff1e40b" --000000000000e843ea058ff1e40b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in mentoring other podlings after Druid graduates. Julian has been very helpful to us while we've been incubating and I'd like to pay it forward. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:12 AM Julian Hyde wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whe= ther it > should be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong > opinion about a related matter - namely, how easy it should be for non-AS= F > members to join the IPMC. > > The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of recently-graduated > projects to serve as mentors of the next generation of podlings. > > I bet quite a few people people think that you have to be an ASF member t= o > be on the IPMC or mentor a project. And we certainly give the impression > that ASF members make the best mentors. But I claim that people who have > just been through the incubation process also make excellent mentors. The= y > have experienced the pain, and they know the answers to many of the IT- a= nd > process-related questions because they have just solved them. > > Like Sheng, I joined the IPMC before I was a member. The project I > founded, Calcite, was close to graduating and I was active on general@ > because being a podling is hard and raises many questions. Some other > podlings were entering incubation and someone (I think Ted Dunning or Ala= n > Gates) asked me to be a mentor. From that, I was drawn into other Apache > projects, saw the broader Apache community, and was drawn into the worthy > task of helping to govern the Foundation. For me, serving as a mentor was= a > way of saying =E2=80=99thank you=E2=80=99 for the help I had received fro= m mentors during > incubation. And for the IPMC, it provided an active and engaged mentor, > always a scarce resource. > > Julian > > > > On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Sheng Wu wrote= : > > > > Hi > > > > My Apache journey started at Incubator, and as IPMC now(not asf member)= . > I > > noticed this requirement too. > > > > From the members I known personally, most indeed know Apache way very > well. > > And truely there is exception. > > > > Basically, I think removing this makes sense. > > > > 1. if this member has been incubator journey, such as being initial > > committer of a podling, it is easy to know and should have taken part i= n > > incubator ml much. > > > > 2. there are indeed asf members elected by other reasons, so, they are > not > > familiar w/ incubator, and need more time to learn too. Apache has so > many > > TLPs and ways to take part in, a member is not required used to be > > incubator. > > > > My +1 on IPMC should have enough incubator experiences. > > > > Also, very open to know the history reason of this. > > > > Sheng > > > > Justin Mclean =E4=BA=8E2019=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C= =889=E6=97=A5 =E5=91=A8=E4=BA=94=E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=881:04=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF= =BC=9A > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assu= me > >> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don=E2=80=99t know the fu= ll history > >> behind it) > >> - There was a lack of mentors. > >> - Is is assumed that if you are an ASF member you know enough about th= e > >> Apache Way to mentor a project. > >> > >> I=E2=80=99m not sure if this is the case anymore. And while the mentor= situation > >> has improved I don=E2=80=99t think the above has solved the problem of= having > >> active members or mentors having the required knowledge and skills the= y > >> need. > >> > >> So if you want to be a IPMC member and mentor a project then I think y= ou > >> need you have gone through the full incubation process yourself and/or > help > >> out with other incubator duties and get voted in as an IPMC member. Ju= st > >> like every other ASF project. > >> > >> What do other people think? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Justin > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> -- > > Sheng Wu > > SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --000000000000e843ea058ff1e40b--