From general-return-70525-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Wed Aug 14 10:51:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id E45241802C7 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:51:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 12254 invoked by uid 500); 14 Aug 2019 10:51:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12242 invoked by uid 99); 14 Aug 2019 10:51:35 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:51:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id AE2ABC0C78 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:51:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.801 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHiaH_2RnEh2 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22b; helo=mail-lj1-x22b.google.com; envelope-from=gstein@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 5DA427DC5E for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id u15so9394488ljl.3 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:51:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=690LrYDtYkHDjKPs8siR8wZdLbzNXC9a3wsbjLyI/uo=; b=a3IRCC1+1COgMrOITLKkX8l94byBFDninO12z51EHjUATfzv3Vz+dH/2HWD8AiWCxh PxftUuQqgHAiTc1PG55/FzFVR/kVBbzVcsLgsxYWkEX41yZp5pNdZuXzJlFKna0ERGcz C/PZ+QhtbxHZAUTwRaKXtdNQCUXV73pSxVqdicMm8OH584++UxnRJnsoT+0rQsxTtIG6 cj5HXGm9qnMYKunG6oUc68+56ZwpdrO6RgQdx5qbHve9vR0SHHF2JQ6eqxGdLCVQWxra ukzcyszPBrzAZxf7WHjg/ySOGNZd/FmLvl+ijsrlvRZoWw078nlfBh2VRvMmJivpF/Oz 9Qjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=690LrYDtYkHDjKPs8siR8wZdLbzNXC9a3wsbjLyI/uo=; b=OPMhR0LFoArh4t6J6nxNpdVPcGbD2o8kg9o5om8HJ3o8rzIaAxTo1Af1kNNxChe1h7 OYSDguDqguNE2ViZyV1HNOJrPmxAl+PjT7Lc9iwK5xF9HLJe7Wzm5HAAo9C92VUl/37k 6ZqHpvyKhPZcuTH0gdvHASn/xJwt+JoU1M3Ke/OUrXnZsLCJLOHWDiwv91lGfzb8DOxZ Q0TlgzgxZyfVPDb2Sfd/6j8kKXzRgRM1ADdJ326SCT0Xg78m3iILA1mpPj7zkIff2Xwv qBdoCdwhNVWsfwse6ObzHU5jHtIiPZ14GYdYJST2296m6iE1OBlJVapkzgyrEPVRPFQe TE5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXLy8KQkpADRhJVN2ubBTkN1EiMENvAgL3gpINOj3cuA8VFkP/m D4PQuRItrIm1SgwaYEHmwJvEFEBD6QXEIcw9KgPbKN2z X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwgji3o+sWaXUq7JBTuSEHWsa8J54wcCjv5ibwD86H4sShM984yIGkO584bkCFDZhzzA4mST+timzNk0+mrbNg= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b048:: with SMTP id d8mr25329825ljl.118.1565779883649; Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C4D6C3E-F6CE-4B10-A7C0-5FB14DAA490F@classsoftware.com> <968755CF-B4AD-4F17-819A-D5513D74AD46@classsoftware.com> <8FA12C68-A1BC-439E-84D7-CD9C2E7FD9FB@classsoftware.com> <5C2DBCA9-41B8-45AA-8C60-9393514DAAE1@jaguNET.com> <9474D0E4-E8C5-4E8A-BFAD-CF44B6CA9BF2@jaguNET.com> <07694C5A-7A78-4DCC-8010-D3AFB0C40851@apache.org> <465B7BAD-AC60-4256-9E05-8A95CA731DC8@apache.org> <33485EC9-6717-4F34-BB38-73958AA437D5@classsoftware.com> <67D63BE5-59C0-4632-A275-BF355B26A126@classsoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <67D63BE5-59C0-4632-A275-BF355B26A126@classsoftware.com> From: Greg Stein Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:51:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases) To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2f086059011890d" --000000000000c2f086059011890d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 00:33 Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Q: Does the IPMC want to produce non-ASF releases? > > A: We already are Not true, as you well know. Whether we call the above a lie, or misdirection is left to the reader. The IPMC currently attempts to ensure all podling releases conform to policy, and then/thus calls them ASF releases. This thread is to ask about stopping that approach. That we can/should make a business decision to accept the moot risk of placing podling releases on our distribution servers. -g --000000000000c2f086059011890d--