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From Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Business decisions and risk (was: [DISCUSS] IPMC votes on releases)
Date Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:10:26 GMT


> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:24 AM Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>>>  "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
>>>> pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are
>>>> giving the IPMC and additional 72 hours to vote on said release."
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is good in theory, but as Justin has pointed out, 90% of podling
>>> releases don't have enough mentor votes to follow this path.
>>> 
>>> The 10% that do have enough votes can easily follow this process.
>> 
>> Then the ones that don't have enough mentors still require the 3 +1
>> binding votes. The idea is that if the podling already has it, then the
>> IPMC "vote" is more procedural than anything else. If they don't, then
>> either the mentors need to step up or the IPMC fills in the gap.
>> 
>> The goal is to avoid having the Incubator be a gate-keeper.
>> 
> 
> 
> I don't understand how this is all that different from what we have now. If
> three mentors (and thus IPMC members) vote yes, then opening up the vote to
> include the IPMC is just like what you said, "we have three votes already
> and unless somebody points out something heinous, this is going to be a
> release". Whether the IPMC is a gatekeeper or a rubber stamp in these cases
> is a tiny matter of nomenclature because the effect is typically a rubber
> stamp (although some of these releases are examined carefully and things
> turn up).
> 
> In the large majority of cases, the Incubator is definitely not a
> gatekeeper. If anything, the non-mentor IPMC votes are enablers that allow
> a release to go forward when it would otherwise fail.

A week or two (an uncertain time) to do release votes as opposed to what may already be a
significant increase to a minimum 3 days will FEEL like a closed GATE. (For example Zipkin
really felt gated.)

Regards,
Dave


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