From general-return-69974-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Mon Jul 1 08:22:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 26F0C180670 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30481 invoked by uid 500); 1 Jul 2019 08:22:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30469 invoked by uid 99); 1 Jul 2019 08:22:09 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 08:22:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 0FA85C053E for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 08:22:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.8 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NTOX7mjwtR8c for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 08:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::335; helo=mail-ot1-x335.google.com; envelope-from=shenyuancs@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-ot1-x335.google.com (mail-ot1-x335.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::335]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 37A9D7E208 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 08:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-x335.google.com with SMTP id b7so12564529otl.11 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 01:21:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=j9Hu1Zc9SjSUjpt7qnooat2Hq1+qNWxJWCdgwFxkIR4=; b=ES0o4uxm1RX7MLqXN8mY+U2yTu67cF/ONgmwRyBW1fBm3OsnUvwvmOVrRNbiz6kTw4 j27yiMZBPQ4dziNPsWlkQvMYcipVLtabFp017VDCnid2bBxt+WuBtoFtmTkeHfk4dn9x UHf5iGq+afmwUKlnfP7K1YRXYqZd5oTzmSSSGwLuZZ5z438xwxi9W8hg2IZCC7pclU3K frt2/Bsp4wDbe4w0NLxANR4ofuaD1jXQXltA5yEzOJPc3XUCDZmclnmoyarH6UhjfugS rsDn9qtKHau22s7yPWKn3LMRkzznJtNNoYFgnAcwHVCShqUAvl02cH88bcCcqmHtyVzY C2Rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=j9Hu1Zc9SjSUjpt7qnooat2Hq1+qNWxJWCdgwFxkIR4=; b=bisA5a5chllQwVYuT8Blpw8ho8Ao4zYxhiFie2XnbdAbHNwWTXQiHqkeulJvx7MRCw 02b/CL9lpa9lbdfI5ghcwORxbFnvHcPealZSFCt/IVem6xtkL20VvnUhNXyu0TzPge4+ 1oBB6kXRkTqNyT3P5pnir493sM3M57ap5nBSQ3/rXH+6GwhJ+1IZASNa2eUEz62HNT6R 3z074Hj64A/SsBj7PKm8ZSJTt7OpAN2BUWy+S0U8CF1wNtPuAlo0jZ6x+AfKIrG8MNs7 Ido7rv/LoUuzivTKP3q92e0oSW9zSldOZtAA9QCssAtlj/ML4iqFlhl5HPppKCz+JpYF UE0w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWXuWoeHPBH9w1fqSm4i981P9eNkB/hjCpW7TdFW6tyHdVomDtJ UE0lVrukSNKHcp7coXXivh5liPLvi6Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxMQURm1lx9fTdYy9TMK/cBblVWS2ZywU/FQFCnvj2TjeLm1qupPX9WjFqee4tdu7uWMmOeJg== X-Received: by 2002:a9d:704f:: with SMTP id x15mr19478991otj.297.1561969317710; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 01:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [30.10.73.166] ([205.204.117.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm3756860otf.53.2019.07.01.01.21.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Jul 2019 01:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: York Shen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1FE77E7D-F096-441E-BAC1-2359D1CCD53F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Podling expectations and some issues encountered in incubation Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:21:52 +0800 References: <1A2F33E2-475E-4A9E-A6C2-13D58D95BC35@classsoftware.com> <72A0C3FD-04EC-4251-BB7D-0FB868D2F888@classsoftware.com> <20190630224636.hlgzjtlvoevzarrb@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) --Apple-Mail=_1FE77E7D-F096-441E-BAC1-2359D1CCD53F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Agreed with that, from a poddling=A1=AFs respective, I think it=A1=AFs = important that the community understand the following issues before it = enters the incubator: Governance Model. Projects in Incubator would adopt Meritocracy model, = no exception. Ownership of the Projects. Once a project enters the Incubator, ASF = owns the project. All trademark/IP around the project belongs to ASF = now. Though if they choose retire from Incubator, the incubator would = give it back. Best Regards, York Shen =C9=EA=D4=B6 > =D4=DA 2019=C4=EA7=D4=C21=C8=D5=A3=AC14:32=A3=ACGeertjan Wielenga = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > Well, I think a lot of frustration with the Apache incubation process = could > be avoided simply by very explicitly asking this question to a = community > planning to start incubation: =A1=B0Are you aware that until you = complete > incubation you will not be in full control of your project, for = example, > please scrap your release schedule until you complete incubation = because > your release dates will not be under your control?=A1=B1 --Apple-Mail=_1FE77E7D-F096-441E-BAC1-2359D1CCD53F--