From general-return-70035-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Wed Jul 3 21:08:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FC9D180181 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 39590 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jul 2019 21:08:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 39573 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jul 2019 21:08:30 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:08:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id E86E51A3194 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:08:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=daniel.shahaf.name header.b=W+4plCqE; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=MypDvkON Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PEKwT_Km0dQv for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (helo) identity=helo; client-ip=66.111.4.25; helo=out1-smtp.messagingengine.com; envelope-from=d.s@daniel.shahaf.name; receiver= Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 99F027E20D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708C6221BC for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web2 ([10.202.2.212]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 03 Jul 2019 17:08:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= daniel.shahaf.name; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:in-reply-to:subject :references; s=fm3; bh=2e7igtSI+2Mtstlc2xib7y1DSfZ+19fqdGwGQMhDJ M0=; b=W+4plCqEhg74reKUpVfZ1C3g/RtZg0BIpCrwtaLrEK5UvcIL/Ntu26bJI +ryWX6+enUE0FeGnjR8CamI+xyaxn2D98cM2DQ+GLmaRmpqwTklbIlCIXnGORShB uIvfe0ziU0YO5Ml+amX1qPmS5RtPNB5+sFNK8zkBtZPzBrnKSYUh3/zNduDFP1gq rGOyi3ezb/r+A/6hRs7aZPvHTzhUg1dTW15doHZIRzUb+nCp4Hb/UkA7w53ROZ9P 1IqjzIKJ4VZ4mi4URx2MVF6ORntDDNv1HOwerbEu9W+R06ZoprHrObkvrJOK3Z3G IpTV8yuJ4ozzTwQmSPKLASVetDPrg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=2e7igtSI+2Mtstlc2xib7y1DSfZ+19fqdGwGQMhDJ M0=; b=MypDvkON59qQT3gqiCanCkDRVz6dknfakXuLQDOAUxQ4GKah7ab+tU8/g YiFYAz/1WnwJI85mXONHPuGygx7rJYzfU3Sa87p2ThxjbW3eeklEHd+xeVuUl/7L 1hoQkmDzSi+o6uJdjtEdBOSSgY8kkI7DKp/9yrnobxDGu/gm/yLyb939agGJKv0S FUNMFAdodGOdsu/fpSmI9/gmXhn7q5nRgpkoYxViooY3LCmaEIea8C5EhCkWUFQG BOREFp+8QPgRYmaOCxYCfN50Q8un8Uhtlg3uX/Q1sAgns9M34ASj5Azt0sq62Gaf t+VYxFRHNPRbrh+a60aNWz1BPtFeQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrfedtgdduheelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefkhffvggfgtgfoffgjufhfsehtqh ertdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghnihgvlhcuufhhrghhrghfuceougdrshesuggrnhhi vghlrdhshhgrhhgrfhdrnhgrmhgvqeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepugdrsh esuggrnhhivghlrdhshhgrhhgrfhdrnhgrmhgvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1A38B6A177C; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1562188106.2079161.1669413632.0DDB5260@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Daniel Shahaf To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-41b67bdb Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:08:26 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3D44198D-D3D2-43CB-B5DA-AB8FE2591447@comcast.net> Subject: Re: New disclaimer text References: <3D44198D-D3D2-43CB-B5DA-AB8FE2591447@comcast.net> Dave Fisher wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:16 -0700: > This only works for issues known before a release is cut. It does NOT=20 > WORK if the issue is discovered during the release vote. Why? Because we= =20 > are trying to allow the release to go through without redoing it and=20 > this would require reworking the release. >=20 > I would rather do it outside of the release. Policing the actual=20 > DISCLAIMER is not easily feasible and decreases the burden. I recommend to put the information in DISCLAIMER. Yes, that means bugs in DISCLAIMER require re-rolling, but: 1. Bugs in DISCLAIMER should be found before the first artifact is rolled. It's simply an audit and it can be done directly on the source tree in version control. 2. Re-rolling shouldn't be an expensive step that should be avoided. It should be "Edit DISCLAIMER, commit, run script to roll" followed by everyone diffing the old artifact to the new one and re-casting their votes based on the work they already did to review the old artifact. (And yes, it's still some effort, about which, see #1.) 3. Artifacts should state their exact license terms =E2=80=94 accurately, completely, and (de facto standard) in-band. Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org