From general-return-70031-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Wed Jul 3 19:37:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 94B31180181 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 10160 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jul 2019 19:37:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 10142 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jul 2019 19:37:46 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:37:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id B8E051A31F4 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.399 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0Hp4VNwO5Pa for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 19:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:165; helo=resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net; envelope-from=dave2wave@comcast.net; receiver= Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:165]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 288B17E20D for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 19:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.233]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id ikIqhBLVyMC2xil4Ohx1Fw; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:37:32 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1562182652; bh=74WH/+kMLp6cks8yteTl7DF14baM/Q4627DAQX87P7M=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:To: Message-Id; b=pcr/ZISIs1Bq7Ii62d8c1Ed2+LYIsZ+codmcYA4QHIhu5CsuuvM0xbOR5SFblwmCm tGjZcK2nTIbKqxNI2CREENsxnMhFXJsNX6WpMQ84CVQu62E8ehgGz1f5LzacUltnlr J3iFywEU0gsXTej9ip3TmLaxP5yHuWwOrLFTt2UM0wXv9tbA6DZ4Dmga8knihwKcr1 XHqRXlZdUSGTumblX4ClAS8sZSwwQSxCETaGsQs/9UQCX0bCogklm2aO43yZp8c3ty Rh3yZ4m3tlIAruZJVRHAPRp70cPy81ru+zFkBru/Rn3Ie0Cx32surUun8QbazEfrmV CNOIgozmlAKxw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:649:280:19bf:291b:5a1:9fd:a13d] ([IPv6:2601:649:280:19bf:291b:5a1:9fd:a13d]) by resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id il4Nh7M5IC6m1il4NhO2pu; Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:37:32 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0;st=legit From: Dave Fisher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: New disclaimer text Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:36:53 -0700 References: <3D44198D-D3D2-43CB-B5DA-AB8FE2591447@comcast.net> To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <147937C2-FD5B-4A41-A580-BF7648D1638E@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) > On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Roman Shaposhnik = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM Dave Fisher = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dave Fisher = wrote: >>>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi - >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:39 AM Justin Mclean = wrote: >>>>>>>> ...I put up suggested text changes for an incubator disclaimer = here [1]... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Basically just adding this, right? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Some of the project releases may not follow ASF policy or have >>>>>>>> incomplete or unknown licensing conditions.... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> It works for me but I'd say "incubating project" to be clearer. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> How is this? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =E2=80=9CSome of the incubating project=E2=80=99s releases may = not be fully compliant with ASF policy. For example, releases may have = incomplete or unreviewed licensing conditions. Known issues will be = described on the project=E2=80=99s status page." >>>>>=20 >>>>> I would suggest we have a policy where known issues are actually >>>>> listed in the DISCLAIMER itself. Along the lines of: >>>>>=20 >>>>> "Some of the incubating project=E2=80=99s releases may not be = fully compliant >>>>> with ASF policy. For example, releases may have incomplete or >>>>> unreviewed licensing conditions. What follows is a list of known >>>>> issues the project is currently aware of (note that this list, by >>>>> definition, is likely to be incomplete):=E2=80=9D >>>>=20 >>>> -1. >>>>=20 >>>> This only works for issues known before a release is cut. It does = NOT WORK if the issue is discovered during the release vote. Why? = Because we are trying to allow the release to go through without redoing = it and this would require reworking the release. >>>>=20 >>>> I would rather do it outside of the release. Policing the actual = DISCLAIMER is not easily feasible and decreases the burden. >>>>=20 >>>> If this is the decision then it leads to a choice that is worse = than the status quo. >>>=20 >>> Nobody is suggesting the policing bit. What I'm suggesting is a >>> central place for that information to be collated. Whether that >>> becomes a showstopper for a release gets decided by the VOTE. But = what >>> I'm saying is that we shouldn't be in a position where we have to = hunt >>> for *known* and *acknowledged* issues all over the place (JIRA, >>> mailing lists, wiki, website, etc.). Lets at least make sure we make >>> our downstream consumer's life a bit easier. >>=20 >> My suggestion is that we put these onto our neglected status pages. = I=E2=80=99m also willing to work on enhancing the status page and = process to make this easy for Podlings to do. >=20 > Sure, that's a reasonable place too, but the problem is -- it doesn't > help our downstream consumers. >=20 > What I'm trying to say is this, I'd like: > 1. this information to be available in one centralized location (per = project) > 2. be easily discoverable by downstream consumers >=20 > If we all agree that #1 is desired (and sounds like we are). Then #2 > can simply contain a link to #1 -- that'd be fine. >=20 > Makes sense? Yes. I=E2=80=99ll put some effort into the status page in the next week = and come back when I have a sample where we can all iterate on the = content. Best Regards, Dave >=20 > Thanks, > Roman. >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org