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[124.169.130.107]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o130sm1738793pfg.171.2019.06.26.22.34.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Mclean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni 0.8.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:34:24 +1000 References: <46815AFF-D9A0-431E-A08B-7C748435E34B@toulme.name> <45FDC65C-2B6A-4EE7-BC79-496E36086CDA@classsoftware.com> <1B4B9E6A-91EE-4BFC-9A68-4A3BDA8C25E3@toulme.name> <214407F1-6ED7-4923-981D-ACDFB75F4B85@classsoftware.com> <5B37C454-58DF-45C5-B9AA-F6416129E48A@classsoftware.com> <0DD867B1-6008-4E40-972E-3B112F4328D1@classsoftware.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Hi, > I see a lot of "oh no. a bad file". What is the takeaway from that? = "The > IPMC thinks we should not release.=E2=80=9D Has anyone voted -1? Nope. And even if they did a -1 vote is not a veto. > How about "make the release, and fix that next time=E2=80=9D ? The podlings previous release put up for IPMC vote had the same issue. > Look at the framing, and at how any normal reader is going to see it. = It is > (ahem) insanity to believe that it doesn't look like harshing on = Tuweni for > a file in their release. And then escalating with "oh geez. we need = Infra > to weigh in on this problem" (without really doing so, until = yesterday, > thus stalling the process) We=E2=80=99ve needed infra to make their position clear on this for a = while, we just didn=E2=80=99t have a release that we could show them, = and asking hypothetical questions in the past has been answered with = =E2=80=9Cwe don=E2=80=99t answer those=E2=80=9D. We now have an answer = which makes it much clearer. That is a big improvement. Re = =E2=80=9Cstalling=E2=80=9D I asked the podling to check with infra, when = they didn=E2=80=99t, I asked for them that spending up the process not = stalled it. > As long as the IPMC discusses podling releases, they are going to be > *interfering*. Currently only IPMC votes are binding on releases, so by design the = incubator has to =E2=80=9Cinterfere". > And that is what I'm seeing with Tuweni, for a minor issue > which has no material effect on people trying their product. Just = ungate > the release, and fix it next time. They were asked to fix it last time, and we were told it was fixed, = except it wasn=E2=80=99t. People make mistakes, hopefully it will be = fixed in the next release. The release as it is, may have a material = effect on people due to its licensing. Thanks, Justin= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org