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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: Podling status Copyright section
Date Thu, 16 May 2019 16:15:12 GMT
Hi Matt,

I'm not sure what "add" means, but there have been several past discussions where it appears
that new code was brought in under a CCLA without an SGA.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d77183d7efd5faf331534edf7ee2de993e908cffa4feb7454f9a6ab1@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-236
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/2814bd99f77325f80c6bfbf1156debd22bf556bfd4b9786996c9217c@1423476452@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
http://s.apache.org/YPe

It is also my understanding (from Roy) that in some cases existing code can come in under
an ICLA.

HTH,
-Alex

´╗┐On 5/15/19, 4:27 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boards@gmail.com> wrote:

    You can add a software grant to a CCLA concurrently, but not vice versa.
    
    On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 03:28, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
    
    > On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 06:55, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
    > >
    > > I do not like the words "transfer rights".  It could be interpreted as
    > transfer of copyright.  Copyright of existing code is not transferred to
    > the ASF, AIUI.  How about "Check to make sure that an SGA or CCLA has been
    > received."
    > >
    > > I don't like hypotheticals, but I can imagine some individual starting a
    > project on GitHub, has only a few files already under ALv2, and gets a
    > project going at the ASF?  Wouldn't we accept those few files under his
    > ICLA and not require an SGA or CCLA?
    > >
    > > I'd suggest dropping the second sentence ("it is necessary to transfer
    > rights...").  AIUI, it is only necessary to grant a perpetual license to
    > the ASF.
    >
    > Also, the CCLA is not required, and is not an alternative to the SGA
    > -- as may perhaps be inferred by some from the phrase "(SGA or CCLA)"
    >
    > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Flicenses%2Fcla-faq.html%23cclas-not-required&amp;data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b354edcc5b244d70e7c08d6d98ced18%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636935596691256488&amp;sdata=xS2K8uFmOV367uU65bfbmB6XR5IGsdY8OirvNAiyNO4%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >
    > > I like your third sentence.
    > >
    > > HTH,
    > > -Alex
    > >
    > > On 5/13/19, 5:28 PM, "Craig Russell" <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >     The Copyright section of the podling status page says "Check and
    > make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF been received. It
    > is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core code, and
    > any new code produced by the project.".
    > >
    > >     I'd propose a change:
    > >
    > >     "Check to make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF
    > been received (SGA or CCLA). It is necessary to transfer rights for any
    > existing package and core code. Any new code produced by the project must
    > be covered by ICLA."
    > >
    > >     This change is proposed because it might not be obvious to everyone
    > what "the papers that transfer rights" are. And new code produced must be
    > committed by a person who has filed an ICLA.
    > >
    > >     Patches welcome.
    > >
    > >     Craig L Russell
    > >     clr@apache.org
    > >
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