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From Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:27:09 GMT
Hi Huxing Zhang & Jun Liu

Thanks to both of you. Clear these things quickly.
I think I am good now.

Wish the Dubbo project will graduate soon. Good luck.

Sheng Wu 吴晟

Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午5:50写道:

> Hi,
>
> I have summarized it here:
>
> Dubbo code base: https://github.com/alibaba/dubbo  has been
> transferred to  https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo
> Spring Boot Support:
> https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-spring-boot-project  has been
> transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-spring-boot-project
> Dubbo Admin Console: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ops has been
> transferred to https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-admin
> Json RPC extension: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc has
> been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-rpc-jsonrpc, and further
> merged into incubator-dubbo, which can be deleted.
> Home Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io, as summarized
> before, this repo hosts dubbo.io which has been redirected to
> https://dubbo.apache.org, and it will be deleted before May 31.
>
> Dubbo Documentation:
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book-en
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book-en
> Dubbo Documentation (Chinese)
> - User guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book
> - Developer guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-dev-book
> - Admin guide: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-admin-book
>
> These have been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs, and further merged to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website.
> I have noticed that https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-user-book-en has
> been redirected to an archived project
> https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-user-book-en. I've no idea how this
> is happened, I think it should be removed.
>
> Samples/Demo:
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-feature-test has been transferred to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-feature-test
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples and then deleted
> - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-ws-demo has been moved to
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-samples/ and then deleted
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 5:06 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I am just asking the question about the repo in the proposal.
> > Because all repo(s) in the proposal should have been moved into ASF.
> > Could you add the status of all repo in your WIKI page?
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月29日周一 下午4:59写道:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:29 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Branding issues should be improved now. No concern for that.
> > > >
> > > > But, I have a question, which also needs the Dubbo community to
> clear.
> > > >
> > > > In the Dubbo incubator proposal[1], there are several repositories
> > > > in Initial Source
> > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en [archieved in
> > > chickenlj[2]
> > > > personal repo]
> > > > - https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-admin-book-en [archieved in
> > > chickenlj
> > > > personal repo]
> > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-docker-sample [404]
> > > > - https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-http-demo [404]
> > > > ...(and several others repos)
> > > >
> > > > Also, chickenlj[3] can't be found in Dubbo team[4]. Maybe really
> 'can't`,
> > > > but I can't find a match by name(ken or ken.lj).
> > > >
> > > > Could someone tell me what is going on?
> > >
> > > chickenlj is Jun Liu, who has been listed on the PMC members. You can
> > > find it in the resolution proposal.
> > > I do not quite understand, what is the concern here?
> > >
> > > > Are these being included in the Dubbo website document, already?
> > >
> > > Yes. dubbo-dev-book-en, dubbo-admin-book-en, and etc. has been
> > > transferred here[1], which just contains the documentation.
> > > After Dubbo joins incubator, a new Dubbo website has been created, and
> > > all the documentation has been merged into [2]
> > >
> > > > Or the proposal changed.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-docs
> > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo-website
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > [2] https://github.com/chickenlj/dubbo-dev-book-en
> > > > [3] https://github.com/chickenlj
> > > > [4]
> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/docs/developers/developers_dev.html
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > >
> > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> 于2019年4月28日周日 下午11:05写道:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
> > > > >
> > > > > - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> > > > > - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For
> > > Apache
> > > > > Dubbo
> > > > > - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> > > > > - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in
> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > format in compliance with the policies
> > > > > - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> > > > > has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> > > > > projects[3]. Among them,
> > > > >   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> > > > > transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June
> 30th)
> > > > >   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> > > > > branding issues cleared.
> > > > >   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st.
> (redirect
> > > > > dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
> > > > >   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be
> transferred
> > > > > to thubbo group if no response is received.
> > > > >   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
> > > > >   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> > > > > transferred to thubbo group instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to
> ASF/outside
> > > > > dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> > > > > projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before
> ETA.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> > > > > this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> > > > > this could clear the concern from IPMC.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> > > > > [3]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > [4]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave & Others,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for
> > > building
> > > > > > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the
> projects
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this
> "3rd
> > > > > party"
> > > > > > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects
> > > won't
> > > > > > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site
> does
> > > not
> > > > > > > necessarily exist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding
> issues, in
> > > > > order to
> > > > > > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee
> > > hat.
> > > > > It is
> > > > > > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue
> as
> > > > > quickly
> > > > > > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left
> dubbo as
> > > > > > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying
> to
> > > > > > abuse it)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > > > > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies -
> > > ongoing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested
> for the
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to
> be
> > > vote
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo
> > > community
> > > > > > to work out a ETA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if
> > > they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer
> by
> > > > > > earning enough merit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be
> > > deleted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's
> community
> > > > > today, and
> > > > > > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to
> the
> > > > > board
> > > > > > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by
> > > doing
> > > > > this.
> > > > > > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan
> if
> > > any
> > > > > > > further suggestion comes up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of
> [1] to
> > > > > > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > -Ian.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <
> > > dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > > > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > > > > > PMC responsibility:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > > > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > > > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the
> > > situation
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists
> > > that
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to
> be
> > > > > working with
> > > > > > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd
> > > party"
> > > > > site
> > > > > > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various
> > > issues
> > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan
> and
> > > > > then agree
> > > > > > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated
> > > into the
> > > > > > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The
> “for
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into
> Dubbo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to
> carefully
> > > > > address
> > > > > > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <
> > > wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that
> indicates
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might
> need
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> > > > > SkyWalking
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> 下午11:29写道:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > > > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that
> indicates
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might
> need
> > > that
> > > > > > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -J
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > > > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects,
> especially for
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >> three.
> > > > > > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> > > > > xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > > > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > > > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> > > > > repo(npm), the
> > > > > > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2].
> Right?
> > > > > > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking
> used
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > > > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which
> > > isn't.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > 下午10:46写道:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
> 'dubbo' to
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
> name
> > > > > > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > > keep
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the
> decision.
> > > I
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > >> reply
> > > > > > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > > > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >> ,
> > > > > > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
> > > concern. I
> > > > > trust
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev
> reply[1],
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
> > > disallowed,
> > > > > we will
> > > > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
> 'dubbo' to
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
> name
> > > > > > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to
> > > keep
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > > > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely
> addressed
> > > once
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> actions
> > > > > > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our
> > > > > mentors and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> > > > > huxing@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > > going.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and
> make
> > > sure
> > > > > ICLA
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > > > >> decided by
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything into Apache
> group
> > > > > except
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to
> > > > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more.
> Especially
> > > you
> > > > > say
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before
> joining
> > > > > ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it is
> better to
> > > > > move them
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing the word
> > > > > "eventually".
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section
> > > Initial
> > > > > > > > >> Source,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you should
> wait
> > > for
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to
> dubbo.io
> > > > > has been
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and
> > > host
> > > > > all in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If
> > > not,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to
> > > either
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change the
> DNS
> > > > > record.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to
> > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for
> dubbo
> > > group
> > > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly about the
> > > > > logo(GitHub
> > > > > > > > >> org
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are
> the
> > > same,
> > > > > > > > >> which
> > > > > > > > >>>>> both
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not been
> cleared.
> > > > > > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so
> > > this
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>> able
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization if
> this is
> > > an
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is
> useful
> > > just
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
> > > other
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system
> temporarily
> > > > > before the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are
> going to
> > > be a
> > > > > > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what
> do
> > > you
> > > > > want
> > > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the
> > > specific
> > > > > ones
> > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many
> projects
> > > are
> > > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > > GitHub[1]
> > > > > org
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or
> some
> > > other
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under
> > > going.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > > >> cannot
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license and
> make
> > > sure
> > > > > > > > >> ICLA
> > > > > > > > >>>>> for
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move
> > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves
> redirection
> > > > > dubbo.io
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the profile for
> dubbo
> > > group
> > > > > > > > >> like
> > > > > > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this
> group
> > > is
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition
> finishes.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > > > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
> now
> > > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> projects
> > > it
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action
> is
> > > being
> > > > > > > > >> taken.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> The
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > > number of
> > > > > > > > >> times
> > > > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > > [1][2]
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> more
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > > happening
> > > > > [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many
> projects
> > > are
> > > > > > > > >> done.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo
> > > GitHub[1]
> > > > > org
> > > > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or
> some
> > > other
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
> > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the branding is clear
> > > before
> > > > > > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > > canceled,
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> discussion
> > > > > > > > >> started on
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I
> also
> > > note
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes from the same
> reason
> > > I
> > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many
> media(s),
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF
> project,
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> PMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first place.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
> 于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > > > > > >> 上午7:19写道:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
> > > > > branding,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> then
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially the
> > > exact
> > > > > > > > >> name
> > > > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
> now
> > > > > > > > >> redirects
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other
> > > projects it
> > > > > > > > >> may be
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be done but action
> is
> > > being
> > > > > > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has been discussed a
> > > number
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >>>>> times
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
> > > [1][2]
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes what is
> > > happening
> > > > > [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using
> Apache
> > > mail
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
> > > someone
> > > > > > > > >> from the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be good.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the
> Dubbo
> > > > > > > > >> name.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release
> Apache
> > > > > Dubbo
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue
> hasn't
> > > been
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
> > > > > thing(maybe),
> > > > > > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be included.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
> > > canceled,
> > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and there’s a
> > > discussion
> > > > > > > > >> started
> > > > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I
> also
> > > note
> > > > > > > > >> it was
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>>
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