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From Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:33:19 GMT
Are you planning to invite the authors to the PPMC? I didn’t find any
discussions on that using some basic searching.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 10:05, Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am wrapping the latest update from Dubbo community.
>
> - The avator of dubbo[1] group has been deleted
> - The description of dubbo group has been rename as Eco System For Apache
> Dubbo
> - A new group called thubbo[2] has been created
> - All projects under dubbo group are renamed in xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> format in compliance with the policies
> - For the 19 projects remaining in dubbo group, the Dubbo community
> has contacted all the project owners, and got response from 18
> projects[3]. Among them,
>   * 14 projects will be transferred to ASF (13 of them will be
> transferred by May 31st, 1 project will be transferred by June 30th)
>   * 3 projects will be transferred outside dubbo group, with all
> branding issues cleared.
>   * 1 project (dubbo.github.io) will be deleted by May 31st. (redirect
> dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org via dns)
>   * The remaining 1 project (intellij-idea-plugin) will be transferred
> to thubbo group if no response is received.
>   * The detailed status has been summarized here[4].
>   * If any project failed to be transferred before ETA, it will be
> transferred to thubbo group instead.
>
> Given that all project has given ETA to be transferred to ASF/outside
> dubbo, a suggestion is given that there is no need to move the
> projects to thubbo group unless they are not transferred before ETA.
>
> The Dubbo community is seeking comments from the IPMC that whether
> this proposal is OK or not. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hope
> this could clear the concern from IPMC.
>
> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> [2] https://github.com/thubbo
> [3]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c8dc772242181517e3159d583c6aa7d1fcf5ce6f321ebb9e882ab6ad@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> [4]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:46 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave & Others,
> > >
> > > This "3rd party" site (https://github.com/dubbo) is used for building
> > > Dubbo's eco-system. Just as you said, It contains both the projects
> which
> > > will be donated and which may not, so the final goal for this "3rd
> party"
> > > site is pretty clear: it will contain and only contain projects won't
> > > donate, and if there's no project left eventually, this site does not
> > > necessarily exist.
> > >
> > > What we're doing now is to solve the potential branding issues, in
> order to
> > > answer the challenges from whom wearing the trademark committee hat.
> It is
> > > an ad-hoc actions since we need to solve this particular issue as
> quickly
> > > as possible. Here're what we are doing as short-term actions:
> > >
> > > 1. Rename dubbo group to other name. - not yet
> >
> > Or create a new group and move all the projects to it, left dubbo as
> > an empty group. (The purpose is just to ensure nobody is trying to
> > abuse it)
> >
> > > 2. Stop using Dubbo logo as group's avatar - done
> > > 3. Rename all project names in compliance with the policies - ongoing
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > At the same time, I strongly agree with what Dave suggested for the
> long
> > > run plan. Here's what I propose (certainly this plan needs to be vote
> in
> > > dubbo's mailing list):
> > >
> > > 1. All projects will be transferred to Apache group with ETA
> >
> > I will try to discuss this with the project owners and Dubbo community
> > to work out a ETA.
> >
> > > 2. After that, all members in this group will be join Apache if they
> are
> > > willing to (after they go through the vote certainly)
> >
> > As long as the project is under ASF, anyone can become committer by
> > earning enough merit.
> >
> > > 3. After the transition is done, this particular group will be deleted
> >
> > +1.
> >
> > >
> > > I will init the vote for the long term plan in dubbo's community
> today, and
> > > we will get back with the concrete transition plan with ETA to the
> board
> > > meeting as soon as possible. I hope we can satisfy the IPMC by doing
> this.
> > > Pls. let me know if this is sufficient. We can adjust the plan if any
> > > further suggestion comes up.
> >
> > I think the Dubbo community can deliver an improved version of [1] to
> > IPMC, by filling all the blanks and with a new column ETA.
> >
> > [1]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -Ian.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:29 AM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > >
> > > > (With trademark committee hat)
> > > >
> > > > Trademark resources can all be found from here:
> > > > Trademark resources sitemap:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
> > > > PMC responsibility:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> > > > Improper third party uses:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#police
> > > > Formal policy: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
> > > >
> > > > I don’t think that there is a formal policy to handle the situation
> where
> > > > a transitional, "3rd party” site controlled by the PMC exists that
> will be
> > > > phased out. Generally trademarks is looking for that PMC to be
> working with
> > > > and engaging 3rd parties to fix any branding issues.
> > > >
> > > > I think it is important to know what the goal is for the "3rd party"
> site
> > > > is and when that will be achieved.
> > > >
> > > > (Dubbo mentor hat)
> > > >
> > > > I think that rather than quickly responding by fixing various issues
> in an
> > > > ad hoc manner it would be good to present the long term plan and
> then agree
> > > > on the needed language on the “3rd party site”
> > > >
> > > > For example, the treatment of “product” that will be donated into
the
> > > > project codebase differs from “product” that won’t be. The “for
> Apache
> > > > Dubbo” makes no sense for product that will be moved into Dubbo.
> > > >
> > > > The next board meeting is May 15th and there is time to carefully
> address
> > > > the plan to the satisfaction of the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > > such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> > > > > information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to read this from incubator discussions. Zipkin and
> SkyWalking
> > > > were
> > > > > facing that question. Could someone help about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >
> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午11:29写道:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Semi OT:
> > > > >> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates
> that
> > > > >> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need
that
> > > > >> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -J
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > >>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially
for
> these
> > > > >> three.
> > > > >>> I also used to see the traditional rename to
> xxx-for-apache-project
> > > > >>> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > > > >>> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release
> repo(npm), the
> > > > >>> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > > > >>> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used
to
> be
> > > > asked
> > > > >>> stop in the same case.
> > > > >>> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:46写道:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
name
> > > > >>>> dubbo.github.io,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need
to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please discuss with your community, then make the decision.
I
> just
> > > > >> reply
> > > > >>>> the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the
> > > > dubbo.github.io
> > > > >> ,
> > > > >>>> if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my
concern. I
> trust
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>> Dubbo community could make it right.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
下午10:16写道:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Those two are good options. Please read my prev
reply[1],
> which
> > > > >>>>> concerns me
> > > > >>>>>> more are
> > > > >>>>>> 1. Website codebase.
> > > > >>>>>> 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be
disallowed,
> we will
> > > > >> do
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>> following things against dubbo group:
> > > > >>>>> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > >>>>> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from
'dubbo' to
> other
> > > > name
> > > > >>>>> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain
name
> > > > >> dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>> ,
> > > > >>>>> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need
to keep
> website
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> this group
> > > > >>>>> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization
to
> > > > >>>>> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed
once
> the
> > > > >> actions
> > > > >>>>> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with
our
> mentors and
> > > > >>>>> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <
> huxing@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the license
and make sure
> ICLA
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>> projects are signed,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I am not asking to move all repo related
to Dubbo, which is
> > > > >> decided by
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> project owner or Dubbo community.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> eventually we hope to move everything
into Apache group
> except
> > > > >> for
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
to
> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> As you mentioned, which make me concern more.
Especially you
> say
> > > > >>>>>>> `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> No. The redirection has been completed.
> > > > >>>>>> You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > > > >>>>>> The only effective file is index.html, possibly
CNAME.
> > > > >>>>>> Other files are archive for the old website before
joining
> ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> To make it better understandable, I think it
is better to
> move them
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>> other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > > > >>>>>> I update the description and readme, removing
the word
> "eventually".
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1],
section Initial
> > > > >> Source,
> > > > >>>>> "Home
> > > > >>>>>>> Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > > > >>>>>>> If the transfer has not been finished, you
should wait for
> that
> > > > >> before
> > > > >>>>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests
to dubbo.io
> has been
> > > > >>>>>> redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS
level, and host
> all in
> > > > >>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the
same. If not,
> which
> > > > >> is
> > > > >>>>>> harder
> > > > >>>>>>> to understand for me.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong
to either
> Apache
> > > > >> or
> > > > >>>>>> Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > > > >>>>>> The Dubbo community do not have access to change
the DNS
> record.
> > > > >>>>>> The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> This is a block for me.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the
profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> You changed some. But if you look clearly
about the
> logo(GitHub
> > > > >> org
> > > > >>>>>>> avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3]
are the same,
> > > > >> which
> > > > >>>>> both
> > > > >>>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>> them belong to ASF.
> > > > >>>>>>> Which makes me think the branding has not
been cleared.
> > > > >> Especially, I
> > > > >>>>>> think
> > > > >>>>>>> Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub
org, so this
> should
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>> able
> > > > >>>>>>> to be fixed.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I have no objection to rename the organization
if this is an
> issue.
> > > > >>>>>> I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it
is useful just
> for
> > > > >>>>>> defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > > > >>>>>> Another way is to create another group with something
other
> than
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > > > >>>>>>> this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system
temporarily
> before the
> > > > >>>>>>> transition finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> The temporarily needs to be defined, as you
are going to be a
> > > > >> TLP, the
> > > > >>>>>>> PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision,
what do you
> want
> > > > >> about
> > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > >>>>>>> own repo.
> > > > >>>>>>> Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub,
but the specific
> ones
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>> initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > > > >>>>>>> [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > > > >>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
上午10:29写道:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing,
and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make
sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will
be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo
ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> As Justin mentioned above, the translation
is under going.
> We
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >>>>>> do it
> > > > >>>>>>>> for all because we need to examine the
license and make sure
> > > > >> ICLA
> > > > >>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> each
> > > > >>>>>>>> projects are signed, but, eventually
we hope to move
> everything
> > > > >> into
> > > > >>>>>> Apache
> > > > >>>>>>>> group except for the repo [1] which serves
redirection
> dubbo.io
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> dubbo.apache.org.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now I have changed the title and the
profile for dubbo group
> > > > >> like
> > > > >>>>> this:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > > > >>>>>>>> Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
this group is
> for
> > > > >>>>> hosting
> > > > >>>>>> dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>> eco-system temporaryly before the transition
finishes.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>>>>> -Ian.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng
Wu <
> > > > >> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to
host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re
the other projects it
> may
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to be
done but action is being
> > > > >> taken.
> > > > >>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo has
been discussed a number of
> > > > >> times
> > > > >>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> project and projects are being moved
off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> and
> > > > >> more
> > > > >>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes
what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Glad to see the actions are ongoing,
and many projects are
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>>>>> Could
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo community consider to make
sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
> org
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>>>> be
> > > > >>>>>>>>> processed well? Such as,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Statement clear, this org will
be renamed or some other
> > > > >>>>>> way(community
> > > > >>>>>>>>> prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I think the clear status of Dubbo
ecosystem is very
> important.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo has a very wide community and
connected many
> > > > >>>>>> projects/developers,
> > > > >>>>>>>> so
> > > > >>>>>>>>> please consider to make sure the
branding is clear before
> > > > >>>>> graduation.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated and
there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started on
> > > > >>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future
be allowed). I also note
> it
> > > > >> was
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue not
the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> This is not a blocker, this comes
from the same reason I
> asked
> > > > >>>>> about
> > > > >>>>>>>>> branding.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dubbo is too widely used as they
said in many media(s),
> many
> > > > >>>>>>>>> watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I am hoping it will be a good example
of ASF project, and
> the
> > > > >> PMC
> > > > >>>>> is
> > > > >>>>>>>> ready
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to find the license issue in first
place.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere,
Zipkin
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
于2019年4月24日周三
> > > > >> 上午7:19写道:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. If graduation happens,
Dubbo should be Apache
> branding,
> > > > >>>>> then
> > > > >>>>>> why
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dubbo GitHub org[1] is still
used. Especially the exact
> > > > >> name
> > > > >>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>> logo.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Part of the repo was used to
host dubbo.io which now
> > > > >> redirects
> > > > >>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/.
Re the other projects it
> > > > >> may be
> > > > >>>>>> that a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> little clean up still needs to
be done but action is being
> > > > >>>>> taken.
> > > > >>>>>> The
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> existence of this extra repo
has been discussed a number
> of
> > > > >>>>> times
> > > > >>>>>> in
> > > > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> project and projects are being
moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>>>> more
> > > > >>>>>>>>> recently
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [3][4].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This document probably best describes
what is happening
> [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Most star project[2] in
dubbo org is using Apache mail
> > > > >>>>>> list[3].
> > > > >>>>>>>> But
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> groupId[4] says it belongs
Alibaba
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I would guess this is just an
oversight, but if someone
> > > > >> from the
> > > > >>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> comment on this that would be
good.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists,
and also use the Dubbo
> > > > >> name.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> See [5].
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, in the last Dubbo vote
`[VOTE]: Release Apache
> Dubbo
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`.
License issue hasn't been
> > > > >>>>>> addressed
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> inside
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC(dev vote), I know
LGPL is uncertain
> thing(maybe),
> > > > >>>>> but at
> > > > >>>>>>>> this
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> moment, it should not be
included.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> This issue is is being addressed
(vote has been canceled,
> > > > >> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> dependancy
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> removed, documentation updated
and there’s a discussion
> > > > >> started
> > > > >>>>> on
> > > > >>>>>>>> legal
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> discuss on if it might in future
be allowed). I also note
> > > > >> it was
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>>>> PPMC
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> who first noticed this issue
not the IPMC.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Justin
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 3.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 4.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 5.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>
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