From general-return-68080-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Mon Mar 4 23:52:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E246180627 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 00:52:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 76186 invoked by uid 500); 4 Mar 2019 23:52:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 76174 invoked by uid 99); 4 Mar 2019 23:52:12 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org) (207.244.88.137) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2019 23:52:12 +0000 Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.228]) by mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 0AB5A34B5 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E342213E for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 04 Mar 2019 18:52:11 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddrfedvgdduhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepofgfkfgjfhffhffvufgtgfesthhqre dtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfoihgtkhcuufgvmhgsucghvghvvghrfdcuoehmtghksegr phgrtghhvgdrohhrgheqnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmtghkodhmvghsmh htphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqddvgeelheekudeihedqudefjeehleegjeej qdhmtghkpeeprghprggthhgvrdhorhhgsehsvghmsgdrfigvvhgvrhdrohhrghenucevlh hushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 24DA53A1E3; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:52:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.5-925-g644bf8c-fmstable-20190228v5 X-Me-Personality: 24958165 Message-Id: <40cdeefc-f441-40be-aad5-93d3acb8577d@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6cfe44f0-e939-4562-8168-53facde24af0@www.fastmail.com> <3B432CFC-42A5-4492-8313-A9077F787573@classsoftware.com> <3593c997-73f7-42fc-b130-fb5594be59a5@www.fastmail.com> <5d6d82ae-1d5c-4201-9fe6-645fc97a6754@www.fastmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 18:51:19 -0500 From: "Mick Semb Wever" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is=20= > the proposed PMC list accurate". >=20 > The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need= =20 > to be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities ar= e=20 > conducted on the PPMC private list. If a PPMC member has not=20 > participated in any governance activities during incubation, it's=20 > unclear that they belong on the PMC.=20 >=20 > Reviewing the last several months of private@skywalking list, most of=20= > the discussion of new committers has had only four or five=20 > participants, who are clearly involved in governance of the project.=20= If this is a criteria then there are two trusted committers from the ini= tial podling creation that have since then not been active. They should = be then removed. They are Sheng Wang and Yuntao Li. Those that were added in the last round will not have been involved in a= ny private threads, and only the vote threads are on private. Every othe= r podling related discussion has happen on the dev ML. > Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not = correctly recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more fol= ks but but if they are not active then I=E2=80=99m not sure what has bee= n fixed. It seems this could be a symptom of the same problem?=20 It is not. Those that have been added recently have had no need to be in= volved in any private ML discussions, as there has't been any since. It = becomes a bit absurd if those PPMC last added can never be included in a= ny podling graduation proposal.=20 > Out of interest do we know who those 4 or 5 people work for (or the re= st of the proposed PMC members)? It=E2=80=99s good to have a PMC consist= ing of people from different companies. They are from different companies: - Cloud Wise - terminus.io - tetrate.io - Daocloud - Ke Finance - Huawei - Tingyun - Cianiao - Yonghui super market - VBill Payment Co. And I don't see more than two PPMC from the same company. regards, Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org