From general-return-67942-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Thu Feb 28 19:13:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E302180657 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:13:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 54504 invoked by uid 500); 28 Feb 2019 19:13:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 54491 invoked by uid 99); 28 Feb 2019 19:13:50 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:13:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id B7888C28C0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:13:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.599 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL=0.5, KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dzUm4XZeB79h for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id B66935F1F0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FD735CA for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:04:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=Vvy97hYxFD6lpyEKmFK2i3XfTJO813PNRKo1CBfUO xE=; b=T3HWnDjeOtdxnNAdRUumEFqgU1I6RB0zMhr7CrEam4DtTbI6glDaTe9ON ZLm7Q/BLuLmVXH4TAH19Ft1BG63RZ47m12mPAPyX2T7p9J7Tdbe5dEir0I5myDtq aVRNzNNgOwxDNH7cjzN26gA4GB953x527jnrHQ4/XUDzadsfCoRqGyJWKZQVOzeF gHMQx92E3y4R2RDlKqFboBRd7xVvK7z8iDtcWydbZIjbQ7iXvk6RulHBGwb9c2Wk dr3zutqnr3ukMKvUIHEhq0qWGKtWKmjwoV+jPsOnJfbgs153jp5DL0PIYSXom41b rHdThB5yGyM+H/cXmxBjbX07GEmbQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddrvdefgdduvdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne gfrhhlucfvnfffucdlqdehmdenucfjughrpefhtgfgggfuffhfvfgjkffosehtqhhmtdhh tdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetnhhtohhinhgvucfvohhulhhmvgcuoegrnhhtohhinhgvsehtoh hulhhmvgdrnhgrmhgvqeenucffohhmrghinheplhhinhhkvgguihhnrdgtohhmpdgrmhgr iihonhdrtghomhdprghprggthhgvrdhorhhgpdhthhgvghhurghrughirghnrdgtohhmpd hushhpthhordhgohhvnecukfhppedvgedriedrheejrdeffeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghi lhhfrhhomheprghnthhoihhnvgesthhouhhlmhgvrdhnrghmvgenucevlhhushhtvghruf hiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.205] (c-24-6-57-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.57.33]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 52BDDE457F for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:04:03 -0500 (EST) From: Antoine Toulme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: [Cava] Suitable name search - choosing a name Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:04:01 -0800 References: <00BA3C60-2C56-4A43-9359-29AF515695F4@toulme.name> <63F12AF2-D47A-46D4-BC02-014C6191E767@toulme.name> <3C821A0A-5A6E-47CF-9901-998485BA45E9@comcast.net> <07317f51-1093-e349-63d6-e8cb33560ba4@apache.org> <2B9AECDE-7B62-499F-9C40-92B73E06019E@toulme.name> <4C7ADC4E-34CC-4405-8E6D-44F9606333A2@toulme.name> <2b241438-43f2-baae-9cf2-3aee9f92ab2b@apache.org> <26368E9C-C990-466E-AA53-922DEFD650CA@jaguNET.com> <8ebe7df0-8723-58fa-204e-31da3af0c004@apache.org> <9D725BDF-8E0A-440A-86D7-9E207C5E2318@jaguNET.com> <30EDF78A-DB8E-4DA8-ADA9-5216D26C0721@toulme.name> To: Incubator General In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7619212F-ABBE-4D2D-8054-EFEFEB25B318@toulme.name> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Thanks Kevin, your help and guidance are appreciated. > On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Kevin A. McGrail = wrote: >=20 > A rose by any other name would still be as sweet so I am +1 on the > proposal. Just trying to help with the naming issue and to save the > project and infra grief of it needs to change. >=20 > But I am here to support and feel bad to throw any gunk in your = sprockets. >=20 > Best, KAM >=20 > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 13:59 Antoine Toulme =20 >> For context Jim is the champion of the Cava proposal. >>=20 >> The point of rough consensus is to bring about strong objections and = move >> past non-votes. >> I believe we are at that point, and I will move forward to consider = this >> thread closed with the name Rainbow. >> I will open a pooling namecheck and move to the next step there. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Antoine >>=20 >>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>>=20 >>> Well, I have no doubt that the proposal is going to pass, so we = might as >> well progress on w/ that assumption. ;) >>>=20 >>>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Kevin A. McGrail = >> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Jim, I don't read https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html to >> lead >>>> me to believe we are at that stage yet. I think we want to have >>>> discussions about a provisional name first. Specifically, "A = podling >>>> needs to discover whether a name is suitable." >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>> KAM >>>>=20 >>>> On 2/28/2019 9:42 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>>>> We should simply file a standard Jira request for a podling = namecheck. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Kevin A. McGrail = >> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Not an objection per se but two comments: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1 - Rainbow is associated with LGBTQ communities and there have = been >>>>>> concerns about it being co-opted for other uses. For example, >>>>>>=20 >> = https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/02/brands-rainbow-queas= y-but-bring-lgbt-lives-into-mainstream-skittles-gay >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2 - I cannot speak for the LGBTQ community and I support them so = I >> would >>>>>> say rainbow would be something I would avoid. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In the business world I often recommend people consider made up >> words. >>>>>> Less chance of conflictions. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> KAM >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 2/28/2019 3:28 AM, Antoine Toulme wrote: >>>>>>> Hey folks, just checking in. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I would like to establish rough consensus. If you=E2=80=99re = still >> following, we have narrowed down the list to rainbow, sprocket and = winch. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> We have one vote for rainbow, and one for winch. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> When establishing rough consensus, it=E2=80=99s a good idea to = push >> proposals to hear objections. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> At this time, I=E2=80=99d like to push for the name rainbow. Any = objections? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Antoine Toulme = >> wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I ran searches for rainbow, sprocket and winch and didn=E2=80=99t= find OSS >> projects with those names. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I personally would like to vouch for Rainbow. It does fit the >> whimsical requirement of Apache project names. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Kevin A. McGrail = >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2019 6:24 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I searched for "Jal" and came up with Japan Air Lines, which = is >> clearly a >>>>>>>>>> really different field of use. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I also found the Wikipedia article on JAL but was hasty in >> presuming it >>>>>>>>>> described a historical language. If it is an active open = source >> project, >>>>>>>>>> let's not collide. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> So I'll change my vote to "Winch". I again did a quick = search, >> but sounds >>>>>>>>>> like someone should check my work... >>>>>>>>> Re: JAL, the airline is just not an issue. The programming >> language I >>>>>>>>> think is as there are books on Amazon less than 6 years old on = PAL >>>>>>>>> ( >> = https://www.amazon.com/PIC-Microcontroller-Programming-captivating-lessons= /dp/190792017X) >>=20 >>>>>>>>> I don't think it's legacy just perhaps mature and things like >> Raspberry >>>>>>>>> Pi's overtaking the field. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Re: Winch, might be a common name and undefendable as a = trademark, >> etc. >>>>>>>>> Otherwise, though, I couldn't find much relevant in OSS spaces >> except a >>>>>>>>> company called winch gate. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ might help >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> KAM >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Kevin A. McGrail >>>>>>>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation >>>>>>>>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project >>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: = general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: = general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: = general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kevin A. 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