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From "吴晟 Sheng Wu" <wu.sh...@foxmail.com>
Subject Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domainnamefortheapache project
Date Mon, 18 Feb 2019 14:44:22 GMT
Thanks for the feedback. Sadly, It looks like really get the network issue. 


In my mind, hosting `weex.io` site out ASF is not right.


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Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108


 




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From:  "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com>;
Date:  Mon, Feb 18, 2019 09:02 PM
To:  "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>;

Subject:  Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domainnamefortheapache project



Actually, with the tool provided by https://ping.chinaz.com/, there is huge difference of
network speed between https://weex.apache.org/ and https://weex.io/ , though their content
is totally the same.


The average speed for https://weex.io/ is 65ms from 142 different IP address, while it is
271ms for https://weex.apache.org/


But if using another domain is against the rule of Apache, I think I can live with it and
redirect https://weex.io/ to https://weex.apache.org/


Best Regards,
YorkShen

申远




吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午5:16写道:

> weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
 
 
 The Chinese network status is strange, we all know. :) Right?
 
 > We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
 weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
 content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
 it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive complaint
 again.
 
 In my mind, redirect is better. You could try, and listen to the community. 
 
 
 If really need some another, I suggest you to talk with Brand Management Committee.[1]
 
 
 Maybe publish an website, but don't use `weex` in name and say clearly, this is not Apache
Weex official documents, 
 just documents maintained by volunteers. This is not so cool, I know.
 
 
 [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#whoweare
 
 
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 Sheng Wu
 Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
 Twitter, wusheng1108
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ------------------ Original ------------------
 From:  "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com>;
 Date:  Mon, Feb 18, 2019 05:07 PM
 To:  "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>;
 
 Subject:  Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain namefortheapache project
 
 
 
 weex.apache.org is fast too from my network environment now.
 
 We had received several complaint years ago from Chinese users that
 weex.apache.org is slow, so we launched weex-project.io with the same
 content of weex.apache.org. If this is against rules, I think we can make
 it redirect to weex.apache.org, not sure whether we would receive complaint
 again.
 
 Best Regards,
 YorkShen
 
 申远
 
 
 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午4:56写道:
 
 > Hi
 >
 >
 > I don't know why it is slow, I just tried, very quickly.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > ------------------
 > Sheng Wu
 > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
 > Twitter, wusheng1108
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > ------------------ Original ------------------
 > From:  "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com>;
 > Date:  Mon, Feb 18, 2019 04:33 PM
 > To:  "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>;
 >
 > Subject:  Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name
 > fortheapache project
 >
 >
 >
 > >
 > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
 >
 > ASF website is quite slow when accessing from China, I am not sure whether
 > this is a GFW issue or simply the server is on another continent without a
 > CDN.
 >
 > We received complains about weex.apache.org from China mainland years ago,
 > so we deploy website to weex-project.io for fast access in China, as many
 > of our users are from China and there is CDN for weex-project.io .  If
 > there is a solution for this issue, please let me know.
 >
 > Best Regards,
 > YorkShen
 >
 > 申远
 >
 >
 > 吴晟 Sheng Wu <wu.sheng@foxmail.com> 于2019年2月18日周一 下午3:52写道:
 >
 > > Hi YorkShen
 > >
 > >
 > > From my understanding, weex project, including branding and logo, should
 > > be donated to ASF(at least before Graduation).
 > > The basic policy is, weex.apache.org should be the only official website
 > > for the project.
 > > And project's website should be hosted in Apache Infra.
 > >
 > >
 > > If you have others, let's say weex.io and weex-project.io, and run by
 > > your committers team, I suggest
 > > 1. Set redirect for `weex.io` to `weex.apache.org`, for the end user
 > > convenience.
 > > 2. For the Chinese documents, if your committers/contributors maintain
 > > this, put it in `http://weex.apache.org/cn/`makes
 > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes>
 > > <http://weex.apache.org/cn/makes> sense.
 > > 3. I don't think ASF websites are facing GFW issue.
 > >
 > >
 > > If you want to publish another domain/website for ecosystem, you should
 > > avoid using `weex-`, `weex.`, to avoid branding issues.
 > > And I suggest you don't do that, because the community will be split.
 > >
 > >
 > > The following are just suggestions from my experiences.
 > > Blog(cn/en) post are popular in many Apache project, which could be
 > easily
 > > supported by our CI hook in GitHub, also have post control and review.
 > > If you want helps from this, ping me or `dev@skywalking.apache.org`, we
 > > have done something.
 > >
 > >
 > > For Q&A robots, if you are running that on GitHub issue, a Robot account
 > > with project subscription should be good enough.
 > > If you want to do that at Website, I think it will be more complex.
 > >
 > >
 > > ------------------
 > > Sheng Wu
 > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
 > > Twitter, wusheng1108
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > ------------------ Original ------------------
 > > From:  "申远"<shenyuancs@gmail.com>;
 > > Date:  Mon, Feb 18, 2019 03:07 PM
 > > To:  "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>;
 > >
 > > Subject:  Fwd: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for
 > > theapache project
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > Hi, there
 > >
 > > I am a PPMC member of incubator-weex, there is some confusion about
 > > third-party domain and it seems like difficult to resolve in dev@
 > mailing
 > > list, maybe someone here could give a hand to solve the problem of
 > domains.
 > >
 > > 1.I 'd like to know if there is a formal rule that projects should use
 > > xxx.apache.org instead of xxx.io, which is shorter and easier to
 > remember.
 > > 2. we have another domain  weex-project.io for fast access of Çhinese
 > > Developers as GFW have some confluence on https://weex.apache.org/cn/.
 > Is
 > > this against rules for apache project.
 > >
 > > Best Regards,
 > > YorkShen
 > >
 > > 申远
 > >
 > >
 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
 > > From: Dan <faterrole@gmail.com>
 > > Date: 2019年2月15日周五 下午2:39
 > > Subject: [DISCUSS] can we use weex.io as the short domain name for the
 > > apache project
 > > To: <dev@weex.incubator.apache.org>
 > >
 > >
 > > Hi, Myrle/Willem,
 > >
 > > Currently, we have a domain name of weex.io and want to use it to
 > replace
 > > the previous weex-project.io domain name for the following reasons:
 > >
 > > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier to remember.
 > > 2. Apache's website has slower access to the developer in China, so there
 > > is a mirror website weex-project.io for Chinese developer.
 > > 3. We expect to support https on this website and support some of our own
 > > server functions, such as Q&A robots, article blog posts, etc.
 > >
 > > I would like to ask if apache has any restrictions on this third-party
 > > domain name, and look forward to hearing from you.
 > >
 > > Thanks,
 > > Dan
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