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From Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Unomi to TLP
Date Mon, 04 Feb 2019 10:25:20 GMT
+1 - still in brussels, so lagging behind on email :)

On 04/02/2019 11.10, Serge Huber wrote:
> Hello Daniel,
> 
> I'd like to close the vote soon but as you voted -1 because of the
> lack of PNS we need your new vote.
> 
> For your information, here's the completed and accepted PNS [1].
> 
> Best regards,
>    Serge Huber.
> 
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-161
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/22/19 3:09 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> On 22/01/2019 00:37, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling
name
>>>>> search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as it is
not
>>>>> in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because that
is
>>>>> ComDev and not the IPMC.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "Maturity Model" (MM) is just a thing developed by ComDev peeps. It has
>>>> no bearing within the Foundation, other than as a lens for individuals to
>>>> view projects. That lens is not part of the Incubator, or any other PMC.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I do not view the "podling name search" (PNS) as a gate. That
>>>> is another imposition, from outside the Incubator, that has crept into the
>>>> "Must Be Performed(tm)" guidelines for graduation. The Board is the
>>>> ultimate arbiter of whether a podling can graduate, and a name search is
>>>> informative for them, rather than gating for us [on the IPMC]. If a podling
>>>> wants to be called "Apache Acme", and "gee, there are a lot of Acme
>>>> products out there", then that is on the community. Not something for the
>>>> Incubator to demand they change; just something for them to deal with. A
>>>> community problem, rather than one for the Incubator or the Foundation
>>>> itself.
>>>
>>> I disagree on that point - as VP Brand I would, wouldn't I ;)
>>>
>>> If there is an issue with the name (that the PNS would have uncovered)
>>> then the likely solution is that the (now graduated) project will have
>>> to rename. That has a cost for both the community and the foundation.
>>>
>>> While in some cases there are clearly no conflicts, in others it is not
>>> quite so clear cut. The aim of the PNS is to enable both the podling and
>>> the foundation (delegated to the Branding Committee) to decide if the
>>> choice of name is acceptable given the degree of risk associated with
>>> any potential conflict and the associated costs of a rename should that
>>> risk materialise.
>>>
>>> (There is an assumption here that early renames result in lower costs
>>> for both the community and the foundation).
>>>
>>> As VP Brand I am likely recommend against a podling graduating without a
>>> PNS on the basis that it represents an unknown level of risk. The board
>>> may approve the resolution anyway but I suspect it would be tabled
>>> (delayed) until the following meeting to allow a PNS or something along
>>> those lines to take place.
>>>
>>> As an aside, the policy docs still say a PNS is required to graduate. If
>>> this view has changed (I'm not sure it has - I don't recall a
>>> discussion) then those docs need updating.
>>
>> I haven't heard of any policy change either, and with that in mind, I am
>> -1 (binding) on graduation till a PNS has been resolved. As Mark stated,
>> there are costs involved with name changes, on multiple fronts, and
>> making sure that we don't clash is quite important.
>>
>> With that said, there is plenty of time till the next board meeting, a
>> PNS _could_ be done in time for that, and I'd remove my -1. :)
>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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