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From Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Cava] Suitable name search
Date Tue, 19 Feb 2019 03:52:25 GMT
I think Kava is enough of a conflict that it will need to change,
eventually. I think it is OK to keep it as Cava for entry into the
incubator since it already exists but change ASAP:

 - Talk about "Apache Cava (incubating)" will not build the new project's
reputation as well (for example, I actually missed the switch from Onyx to
Nemo so it took me some time to take a look)
 - As a practical matter, a name change may (eventually) lead to various
code namespace moves. In some projects it happens ASAP and some never move
due to a large install base they don't want to disrupt. I think Cava seems
like the former.

Kenn

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM Antoine Toulme <antoine@toulme.name> wrote:

> First, a heartfelt thank you to all for participating in this discussion.
>
> I am tempted to keep Cava _for now_ given this late feedback, and proceed
> to proposing the project.
> To be more precise, I recommend we get the project into the incubator with
> this name. We can change the name of the project 3 to 6 months in.
>
> We have so far received significant interest from the Apache community and
> others, and it looks like we can go from there.
>
> John, good point on this website, kava.io. I note the company is named
> Kava Labs Inc. and their GitHub is Kava-Labs.
> https://github.com/Kava-Labs
> It also looks like their code is in the crypto domain, but more on the
> interchange/wallet side and written in Go and TypeScript.
> I’ll add them to the list when performing the suitable name search item on
> Jira.
>
> I am going to give everyone 48 hours to voice strong opinions against this
> approach.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Antoine
>
> > On Feb 18, 2019, at 9:04 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > If the project is already known as Cava and is looking to move to
> Apache, I
> > would recommend starting off as Cava.  I can see that there's already a
> > presence for it - https://github.com/ConsenSys/cava
> >
> > However, I can see there's a pretty strong conflict on the name -
> > https://kava.io/
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:43 AM Serge Huber <shuber@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that it doesn't matter if it "meant" something, you can simply
> >> forget the original meaning.
> >>
> >> So it could mean "Cryptographic Java"
> >>
> >> Here are other suggestions, because I like have the block and/or in the
> >> name :)
> >>
> >> - Blockava
> >> - Blockva
> >> - Chainava
> >>
> >> Please note I didn't do any proper name search for the above :)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>  Serge...
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 5:32 PM Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Consensus Java :)
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Antoine Toulme <antoine@toulme.name>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I explained it in the proposal and the original thread, Cava stands
> >> for “ConsenSys Java”, after Guava.
> >>>>
> >>>> It’s not a bad name per se, so let’s add it to the proposals.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From last thread, I was not sure why Cava was not a suitable name?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If there is a concern about trademarked name, the community can
> >> always go
> >>>>> with Apache Cava name.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 5:21 PM Antoine Toulme <antoine@toulme.name
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you Anu.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I’ll add your proposal to mine and start a vote Monday if
that’s
> >> agreeable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Antoine
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 12:03 PM, Anu Engineer <
> >> aengineer@hortonworks.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to suggest “Jal”, in reference to Indra’s
net (or
> Indra
> >>>>>> jal) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From the link:
> >>>>>>> "Imagine a multidimensional spider's web in the early morning
> >> covered
> >>>>>> with dew drops. And every dew drop contains the reflection of
all
> >> the other
> >>>>>> dew drops.
> >>>>>>> And, in each reflected dew drop, the reflections of all
the other
> >> dew
> >>>>>> drops in that reflection. And so ad infinitum. That is the Buddhist
> >>>>>> conception of the universe in an image." –Alan Watts[1]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And for what it is worth, it is the ultimate connected chain
or
> >> graph (
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --Anu
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2/13/19, 10:58 AM, "Antoine Toulme" <antoine@toulme.name>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As discussed previously, Cava is not a proper name for the
proposal
> >>>>>> discussed last week on this list and published to the wiki [0].
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I humbly would like to ask the community for feedback and
proposals
> >>>>>> on a suitable name for this proposal, in line with the guidelines
> >> [1].
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In preparation for this search, I have put together a list
of
> >> names:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Rainbow (after the name of my kid’s favorite toy, and
in line
> >> with
> >>>>>> the crypto community unicorn punk theme [2].
> >>>>>>> - Winch (a mechanical device used to wind up or wind out
wires
> >>>>>> (Wikipedia) , in the chain theme)
> >>>>>>> - Sprocket (a profiled wheel with teeth, or cogs, that mesh
with a
> >>>>>> chain, track or other perforated or indented material. (Wikipedia),
> >> in the
> >>>>>> chain theme as well)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have researched those names lightly and I have not seen
them used
> >>>>>> heavily by an open source project in crypto. I followed the
> >> guidelines to
> >>>>>> search across different open source communities.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please provide your own proposal and let’s work together
towards a
> >>>>>> rough consensus. If one of the proposals above registers, please
let
> >> us
> >>>>>> know as well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Antoine
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [0]: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CavaProposal
> >>>>>>> [1]: https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> >>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
> >>>>>>> [2]:
> >> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unicorn%20punk
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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