From general-return-66408-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Wed Nov 7 16:59:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CF97180649 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:59:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 88262 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2018 15:59:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 88251 invoked by uid 99); 7 Nov 2018 15:59:52 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:59:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 1F198CD823 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:59:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.251 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.251 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL=0.5, KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.652] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zm9dnX0OXj9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 9BE4B60F59 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.110]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id KMyog2jkuVWHQKQF6g9NKf; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:59:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.199.10] ([69.251.90.98]) by resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id KQF5gBUWShmLqKQF6gsznB; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:59:44 +0000 From: Jim Jagielski Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: How to review so-called "binary releases"? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 10:59:42 -0500 References: <3433FB52-BCA4-409C-8E6E-3CAFAE19D2CB@apache.org> <722C0C4A-3F6A-439D-BB48-4710CD8B6476@jaguNET.com> <296D6C4F-E9E0-42F7-89A7-438820135D83@gmail.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <296D6C4F-E9E0-42F7-89A7-438820135D83@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfI9bZLR08SCk3lXKPTRycCfmbcB/AizEKx9XerbnT+8X6Jej0uR3+qxrc5RQFSH+AMqtr9RIHNYHQxUq1+V/qmj1J+du30Ee+Tsmhp9Z0MmCZuVKTk0w A264FTR2hQDY/OuiNsw0Ta57dNcGuiCnD7p9AH+UugS3+GbG7+Kq1PAOF9O1Ks5SJbJ4H/PwiWu7YQ== IMO, that was (and in many cases) still IS a Good Thing... the issue is = that it must be made clear that what the ASF releases are source code = artifacts. Any binary releases that are done are not official releases = of the foundation nor the PMC, but are community provided conveniences. > On Nov 7, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Carlos Santana = wrote: >=20 > Jim >=20 > What do you think now? > Was that a good or bad thing? >=20 > TLDR; I=E2=80=99m in favor of convenient binaries is just the how they = are handled.=20 >=20 > Sorry for my brevity, what I meant is that binaries should not be = beside next to the source release seating on the same server and giving = the same guarantees for both type of artifacts (source vs binary). =20 >=20 > Now in terms of convenience :-) > ASF should not block a project of making binaries available to their = community for what ever purpose they think appropriate (ie nightly, = binary of a RC, binary of final RC) >=20 > ASF should provide guidance to the projects to make sure they make = their communities aware that a source artifact is different from a = binary artifact.=20 > A project for example can put warnings and bold text on the location = (ie directory, readme, inside the binary, download webpage, wiki etc) = where the community downloads a copy of the binary.=20 > The warning can say this is not a release of the ASF, is just a = convenient binary =E2=80=9Cdownload on your own risk=E2=80=9D, we = provide sha256 sum and maybe the binary is even signed, but best = practice is for you to download the source and be in control of building = the binary.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - Carlos Santana > @csantanapr >=20 >> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>=20 >> Just a FYI that in the early days of the ASF (and the httpd project), = community binaries were a common offering... >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org