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From Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch>
Subject Re: Voting in new IPMC members
Date Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:52:20 GMT
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:35 AM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> I think some of this is confusion between what consensus means and
> consensus voting mean (or more correctly consensus approval) [2] (i.e. 3+1s and no -1’s.)

That's not correct, its not "no -1s" - quoting [2]:

> Consensus approval' refers to a vote (sense 1) which has completed with at least three
> binding +1 votes and no vetos.

It says "no vetos", not "no -1s"

And as per [0] vetoes only apply to code changes, so that definition
of "consensus approval" cannot IMO apply to anything other than code
changes.

I am very attached to the "vetoes apply only to code changes" rule,
not willing to let that change in any way.

That's just my opinion but I think changing that would be a big
mistake as it allows for deadlocks.

Even though I'm also very attached to paying attention to all -1s,
*from a community point of view*, while recognizing that from a formal
point of view they are not vetoes if it's not about code changes.

-Bertrand

[0] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval

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