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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Changing requirements for IPMC
Date Fri, 09 Nov 2018 04:21:55 GMT
Hi -

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Myrle Krantz <myrle@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:10 PM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi -
>> 
>>>> ...I propose this:
>>>> 
>>>> If someone has done several of the following:
>>>> - has been involved in an incubating project from start to finish
>>>> - has been a release manager
>>>> - has assembled LICENSE and NOTICE files
>>>> - has reviewed and voted on releases
>>>> - has proposed or accepted committers/PPMC members
>>>> 
>>>> Then they can ask the IPMC to join to IPMC by sending an email to
>> private@ listing what they have been involved in...
>>> 
>>> I like that, +1
>> 
>> I think that those items are hard to measure and are oriented to release
>> policy only.
>> 
>> I would propose a simpler requirement.
>> 
>> - Any PMC member of any TLP including ComDev. We then do formal NOTICE to
>> the Board and if there is a concern address it.
>> 
> 
> You're right that some (not all) of the items are hard to measure.  I think
> your counter-proposal would just push work to the Board (who simply won't
> do it),

Well the IPMC and not the Board. I admit I was pushing an extreme position as a device for
focus.

> and may result in podlings getting stuck with inactive mentors, and
> limbo'ed releases.  Perhaps it's possible to cut the original list down to
> things that are measurable, and change the approach from one of enforcement
> to one of enlistment:
> 
> * Is willing and able to review and vote on releases for the podling.
> * Is willing and able to coach the podling in proposing and accepting
> committers/PPMC members.
> 
> The real goal here, I think, is not to specify criteria that the IPMC or
> the board can apply.  The real goal is two-fold: a.) to give a potential
> mentor the information necessary to determine if they can do the job.  And
> b.) to create an instrument of commitment.  The mentor commits to involve
> themselves in specific ways in the podling's incubation.

Yes, and commitment is the key. The IPMC can fix this if we take some examples.

(1) We have elected non-members to the IPMC. I was one. We should be more active in identifying
merit.
(2) We take Justin’s and/or your list of criteria.
(3) We discuss potential IPMC candidates on private using the Beam model discussed dev@community.
Specifically we start threads on private@incubator to track candidates as soon as an IPMC
identifies a podling member getting the Apache Way.
(4) As merit is acquired we VOTE on private@incubator.

This approach follows the Apache Way. It makes the IPMC more closely operate like all other
PMCs that are under the Board.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Best Regards,
> Myrle


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