From general-return-66137-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Tue Oct 16 16:31:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id CBAD7180649 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:31:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 76663 invoked by uid 500); 16 Oct 2018 14:31:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 76649 invoked by uid 99); 16 Oct 2018 14:31:07 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:31:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id CA0E01A0205 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:31:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IL4FZTmYsfR4 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.163]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 2A81B5F5DF for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.225]) by resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id CQGagwxnMAOBJCQN5gQQ5m; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:30:55 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1539700255; bh=Z2VvwqU+DQlEewlzsmVPQQXxXNXwImbHbPVfWBulqKk=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Date:Subject: Message-Id:To; b=Eg06ZmnYkjuIpjyQMYbf8ZVcX9/SH23/WSVN2u++J07Sl1fU/X4A6q8Qzr7CqAdjv NBI/H+156TGoZ6ye9xjDnLJIKjSBS1nogOPO7cSjleTV8cjS8iNf08JvvhTchPJLlx x+IKSmN2II1fNQSDngK2iyGDXisSfGwL0q77ATd2wGdqP42fwM4DE+buSM/n+sFTj4 mS2tYRak+u1sV6BD7GgjDxaIj1fSCFZ1FfzL2eqmJbiwi6aF6L1VDDyWT/MKF8nPP6 meOHps2H1d74OHhh0MxsHNoTeDTFhnr4MErnS4Shgk3Tk9hWh0Je8+MQ6O+T1Hqdch ZR0Z6H0zCexDw== Received: from [IPv6:2601:649:101:8656:8420:aab2:6e:64a8] ([IPv6:2601:649:101:8656:8420:aab2:6e:64a8]) by resomta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id CQN2gdrwvZQd3CQN5g4CyI; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:30:55 +0000 From: Dave Fisher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:30:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting through the hoops (was: Mentors wanted...) Message-Id: <8A82400A-0AC6-4B26-AB2E-64E17B188345@comcast.net> References: <53D73324-29E2-4C92-99CA-7CEA415E8D29@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16A366) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGItJHUuYGd+0ncRKu2Ua1OjbhBaX1+r9Fmi2tIvl4i70KlY+m9a+Crwfgi5Jyv4CrdseYe4wxgDZOaYA+6IfZCeE6grqIyiEknQNMCUbNWexE5NVUpq 0AAwhkcZFOjamxVGzH8iE0ZRSf2sETUWpGRUzC9M2T+A7YCPFPbdUSEfHLZvE1U0Nl/c29JvR/FQNrCNIu29bHD1PZR/4Bwy1bwvOd+0MQeF7OpKHYXdgcx9 AwdOlqLde0lRrdpZy79ftUO3Ib0Qn00v+3re9mgAD2VNsgXCjK8emiKldl6s6BOY Hi - Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 1:25 AM, Serge Huber wrote: >=20 >=20 > Actually I think there is a lot of documentation and in itself it can be a= bit daunting. Also for the committer request, it would be great if it could= be streamlined by doing some kind of online form but there is the question o= f the digital signature that might be an issue. >=20 > Also, some of the optional fields such as the Apache ID or the project nam= e should maybe be explained as less than optional. I=E2=80=99ve had the prob= lem recently that committers filled the ICLA without the optional fields, an= d then the secretary asked for the ID and the project name. So this is putti= ng additional work on the secretary which could be avoided. >=20 > In other words, it=E2=80=99s not that hard when you know the process, but w= hen you=E2=80=99re learning it and want to do the right thing by not botheri= ng mentors for everything, I think it is less straightforward than setting u= p an account on Github, which I think is what a lot of people are comparing t= he experience too (at least that=E2=80=99s the feedback I get usually). Your Mentors are the ones who need to update the roster in Whimsy. It used t= o be only the VP Incubator. If a Mentor is not helping drive onboarding then they aren=E2=80=99t engaged= . Regards, Dave >=20 > Regards, > Serge=E2=80=A6=20 >=20 >> On 16 Oct 2018, at 10:06, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:29 PM Benjamin Young w= rote: >>> ...I've continued to reach out to other initial committers to get them t= hrough the >>> hoops here at Apache--which took a few weeks of setup, rea= ding, etc... >>> Mostly, I think folks find the process daunting. :-/... >>=20 >> I'm curious what's so hard, maybe we aren't explaining things properly? >>=20 >> IMO an initial or elected committer needs to choose an Apache ID, >> register their iCLA, wait for their account to be created, sign up to >> their project's dev (and maybe private) list and they're in business. >> Ok, for now they also need to create accounts on Jira and Confluence >> if the project uses that. >>=20 >> Is this what's considered too hard, or did I miss something? >>=20 >> -Bertrand >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org