From general-return-64047-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@incubator.apache.org Mon Apr 9 18:45:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B1BB180645 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 18:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 30055 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2018 16:45:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30044 invoked by uid 99); 9 Apr 2018 16:45:44 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:45:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 6C785C0254 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:45:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.593 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.593 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_HEX=1.313] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nBMxOmqvV7od for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f178.google.com (mail-qt0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 4BD665F6D2 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w23so9905472qtn.3 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=sgKYHXW8IG+rIBnqTiGbopATCrWggUiMQZNxNWHJeDs=; b=XKSbzmn7M5UGR+dyUcF71T9ChRrz0LP10c7HngjLgDYYsdiQM2PiQDXVem6AJjlvxa dy+/n996ILV5z/N6AENqFVwNUwxOvmyR/IqFoYRxetaLfjBVjYNIJsOYW9lYYX8VS2IY Ksjqy+eBTlHG9qlhogD35mBZbhmlES5iJ0kdNDPqgFZKQxLhXXhlmt/R72T0KH0VpXCi bLL6Mci8sxXoVuHMO9ncdAMQCSUwSmSpV163Jq2rpNfvtPixWN9nfdmWKNESTl64mIfL afvBcTepvLvX2q/dRNkRRT+SMi63tqv2bFpXIqgTZGUiNch/yyOS/wVKrTRZI2V2cAQu yb3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tARAVSePlQPkj/qmz1pVZAYcZ760okLEoYo5nYvYnoRrMwst/4Q o7eb19W7vSrsWofB8rdhDuc1X9vy X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48TmPJ4Lsdb1DF8PMzPVljTP3WMpWSEvVKnZZV3GSTG1W7jpWJVDIKbH6jthCnNZQYOViKqkQ== X-Received: by 10.200.5.69 with SMTP id c5mr52650270qth.232.1523292341550; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.4.156] ([136.24.124.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p128sm561081qkb.67.2018.04.09.09.45.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Hyde Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_76392308-68D5-4A01-B41D-E995875517E9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: The role of a mentor Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 09:45:40 -0700 References: <1523278367759-0.post@n3.nabble.com> To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <1523278367759-0.post@n3.nabble.com> Message-Id: <214B64E9-DE09-4E4E-B5F3-5A6C6D0A3153@apache.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) --Apple-Mail=_76392308-68D5-4A01-B41D-E995875517E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Has anyone here taught someone how to fish? (Or how to make cookies, or = ski?) Mostly you just stand off, watching what they do. If you see them about = to screw up in a big way, step in. Occasionally, offer them hints for = how they might do what they=E2=80=99re doing a little bit better. (Not = too often, because they=E2=80=99ll start to resent the advice.) It=E2=80=99s a time-intensive process, and most of the time the person = being taught thinks you=E2=80=99re doing nothing. Sometimes they ask for help, and very occasionally they ask for guidance = (but only if you have not given them more unsolicited advice than they = think they need, see above). Julian > On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:52 AM, Liang Chen = wrote: >=20 > Hi >=20 > +1, agree with JB points. > Mentor mostly just focus on ASF policy and rules, then is ok.=20 > "Teach him how to fish", it is more important, so it would be better = if > mentors could provide some good example cases(role model) for them to = learn, > tell them how to find the solution from ASF website. >=20 > Regards > Liang >=20 > Jean-Baptiste Onofr=C3=A9 wrote >> Hi John, >>=20 >> IMHO, a mentor is not necessary involved in the project = technics/codebase >> (it's >> actually a bonus). >>=20 >> As a mentor, I'm focusing: >> 1. Insure of the legal aspect of the project (ICLA/CCLA, SGA, ...) >> 2. Help around infra and release preparation according to Apache = rules >> 3. Help to promote the project and build communities around >> 4. See if there's potential interaction with other podlings and = existing >> TLPs >> 5. Help to go to graduation (following the graduation checklist) >> 6. (optional) Help on the contribution (codebase, website, ...) >>=20 >> My $0.01 >>=20 >> Regards >> JB >>=20 >> On 04/03/2018 12:54 AM, John D. Ament wrote: >>> I've been following along the absent mentors discussion. But I'm >>> curious, >>> from both an IPMC member's perspective as well as a member of a = podling, >>> what roles do you see for a mentor? What are their responsibilities = to >>> the >>> podling? >>>=20 >>> We have a few things written down, and I'm not too interested in >>> rehashing >>> the written version. But what do podlings need from their mentors?=20= >>> Point >>> you in a direction to run with? Do the apache work for the podling? = Do >>> we >>> (the ASF) need mentors to ensure that podlings are operating within >>> certain >>> bounds? Do we rely on mentors to be a read of the pulse of a = podling? >>>=20 >>> John >>>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jean-Baptiste Onofr=C3=A9 >=20 >> jbonofre@ >=20 >> http://blog.nanthrax.net >> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:=20 >=20 >> general-unsubscribe@.apache >=20 >> For additional commands, e-mail:=20 >=20 >> general-help@.apache >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Sent from: http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/ = >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org = > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org = --Apple-Mail=_76392308-68D5-4A01-B41D-E995875517E9--