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From "Kevin A. McGrail" <kmcgr...@apache.org>
Subject Re: The role of a mentor
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:00:33 GMT
Adding to the responses:

- One of the duties I try and fill as a champion / mentor is to liaison
concerns and introduce them to the way the project should self-service
their own requests.

- I also try and quell the "this stinks" because there can be push back to
the way we do things.  I have said it takes about 2-3 years for people to
really appreciate the Apache Way and making sure they don't get too
frustrated in the meantime.

Regards,
KAM

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Kevin A. McGrail
Asst. Treasurer & VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
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On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:

> +1
>
> I'd also add to the list: explaining the reasons behind some of the things
> how projects at ASF works.
> Often people new to the ASF complain about the release checks and
> procedure. When you explain them the legal impact and our quality goals and
> the community aspects then they quickly understand and even actively
> support the way we run projects.
>
> People should not do it 'the Apache way' because it is some ceremony, but
> because it actually makes a lot of sense!
>
>
> Some the interpretation of the mentor role also depends on whether oneself
> is using the project as well.
> There are projects (like NetBeans, ISIS) where I mainly help with/focus on
> legal and infra stuff.
> And there are other projects where I'm also an active committer.
> Both cases are fine. But of course as committing mentor one has a way
> deeper insight into the projects health!
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 03.04.2018 um 08:05 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > for me it is close to what JB described:
> >
> > 1. be there when needed (how do I create a git repo? how do I ask a
> > JIRA?Why do I need X?....). Even documented, having somebody you can ask
> > more directly is often valuable.
> > 2. ensure the releases are legal (+ respect mandatory ASF rules + point
> out
> > not mandatory but recommanded rules)
> > 3. be there to remind community is important and not only code to
> prepare a
> > good graduation
> >
> >
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
> > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
> > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/
> rmannibucau> |
> > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book
> > <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-
> ee-8-high-performance>
> >
> > 2018-04-03 7:31 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>:
> >
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> IMHO, a mentor is not necessary involved in the project
> technics/codebase
> >> (it's
> >> actually a bonus).
> >>
> >> As a mentor, I'm focusing:
> >> 1. Insure of the legal aspect of the project (ICLA/CCLA, SGA, ...)
> >> 2. Help around infra and release preparation according to Apache rules
> >> 3. Help to promote the project and build communities around
> >> 4. See if there's potential interaction with other podlings and existing
> >> TLPs
> >> 5. Help to go to graduation (following the graduation checklist)
> >> 6. (optional) Help on the contribution (codebase, website, ...)
> >>
> >> My $0.01
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 04/03/2018 12:54 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> >>> I've been following along the absent mentors discussion.  But I'm
> >> curious,
> >>> from both an IPMC member's perspective as well as a member of a
> podling,
> >>> what roles do you see for a mentor?  What are their responsibilities to
> >> the
> >>> podling?
> >>>
> >>> We have a few things written down, and I'm not too interested in
> >> rehashing
> >>> the written version.  But what do podlings need from their mentors?
> >> Point
> >>> you in a direction to run with?  Do the apache work for the podling?
> Do
> >> we
> >>> (the ASF) need mentors to ensure that podlings are operating within
> >> certain
> >>> bounds?  Do we rely on mentors to be a read of the pulse of a podling?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >>
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