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From Maxime Beauchemin <maximebeauche...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Challenges using Gitbox
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:46:09 GMT
Thanks everyone for all the input!

I had not looked at https://lists.apache.org/ in a while and it looks
pretty usable along with the "site:" Google trick. Thanks to those who made
"Apache Mail Archives" happen!

About PMs, or other "non-coding contributors", it's pretty common to have
them at sponsoring organizations. For example both Airbnb and Lyft both
have a dedicated PM for Apache Superset. While they don't write code, they
contribute to the project and many other ways (prioritization / planning /
road-mapping, shaping product design, communication, training,
documentation, bug reports, issue triaging,  organizing events, ...). It
sounds like the solution is to make them committers to provide them with
the level of control they need on Github.

Another point I didn't bring up in my original email is the obsolescence of
Apache's svn binaries repository in the light of commonly used package
manager (Pypi.org for Python, npm for Javacsript, ..., Maven for Java(?) ,
...). While I understand the importance of the ASF being independent and
the need for signed binaries, it seems like effectively everyone will just
use the release available on popular package manager. Maybe in a perfect
world we'd have tooling that pushes to both repos atomically. In the
meantime, I guess it's for podlings to build their own process & tooling to
ship their releases.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:39 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 11, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Maxime Beauchemin <
> maximebeauchemin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi general@incubator!
> >
> > This is an email discussing the challenges we are facing while using
> Github
> > / Gitbox for our ASF project and wanted to start a thread to discuss
> > solutions and ways we can mitigate.
> >
> > We're very grateful for Gitbox, but here are the challenges we're facing
> > with it:
> >
> > 1. Our PMs are not committers, so they can't do simple things as labeling
> > issues, closing issues and assigning issues to people. We need either for
> > them to have write access to Github, or for them to get some sort of
> > special committer status so they can get write access. Is voting PMs as
> > committers the solution here?
>
>
> I’m just wondering what a project manager is in the context of an Apache
> project? Why would anyone be assigning issues to people? This is a
> volunteer organization.  If this is being done as part of an employer then
> it should not be handled at the ASF.
>
> Ralph
>
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