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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Challenges using Gitbox
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:17:00 GMT

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Maxime Beauchemin <
>> maximebeauchemin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> About PMs, or other "non-coding contributors", it's pretty common to have
>>> them at sponsoring organizations. For example both Airbnb and Lyft both
>>> have a dedicated PM for Apache Superset. While they don't write code,
>> they
>>> contribute to the project and many other ways (prioritization / planning
>> /
>>> road-mapping, shaping product design, communication, training,
>>> documentation, bug reports, issue triaging,  organizing events, ...). It
>>> sounds like the solution is to make them committers to provide them with
>>> the level of control they need on Github.
>> 
>> I have a problem with the way this is phrased. Companies do not do the
>> prioritization, planning, road-mapping, shaping product-design, etc of ASF
>> projects. The committers and PMC members do that.
> 
> 
> 
> The phrasing is problematic, clearly.
> 
> But managers at companies *do* have an outsized influence because they can
> divert a substantial amount of people-power to particular issues. As such,
> the priority setting, road mapping and triaging that they are doing is done
> to keep the corporation's efforts coherent. Keeping these efforts coherent
> is actually a community service, as I see it. Doing these efforts off-list
> is a disservice, however, and is a common anti-pattern in communities.
> 
> Overall, I think that it is great if somebody takes a strong and public
> position to help organize efforts of the community and I think that efforts
> like that should be recognized. At the same time, I am strenuously of the
> opinion that doing the same thing off-list is something that should not be
> recognized.
> 
> The difference is probably not clear to most corporate overlords.

Here is the main documentation. [0]
Here is a short discussion. [1]
Here is a very long one [2]

Please have a look. (Wondering lately if we need a page for Corporations about how to Incubate
a Project.)

Regards,
Dave

[0] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management <https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management>
[1] https://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html <https://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html>
[2] https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-asynchronous-decision <https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-asynchronous-decision>





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