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From Pierre Smits <pierresm...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Dr. Elephant Incubator Proposal
Date Thu, 08 Mar 2018 11:43:07 GMT
Hi All,

While i believe, based on the proposal, it may the works may be a nice
addition to the portfolio of the ASF, I have concerns with the name.

Are we going to call this (if and when onboarded/graduated):

   - Apache DrElephant?
   - Apache Doctor Elephant?
   - Apache Dr-Elephant?
   - etc....

While it is understandable that existing parties want to retain the name of
where code and team originally came from, I believe the name of the
podling, its community and its works should not always hang to much to
references in the past. Joining the ASF as a podling offers an opportunity
to retain the best from the past (often the code and pre-joining
contributors) and have a do-over for remainder.

Best regards,


Best regards,

Pierre Smits

V.P. Apache Trafodion

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:35 AM, Carl Steinbach <cws@apache.org> wrote:

> Timothy Chen has volunteered to be a mentor. I have updated
> the proposal on the wiki to reflect this.
>
> Thanks Timothy!
>
> - Carl
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Carl Steinbach <cws@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I also wanted to add that we are looking for more mentors.
> > Please email me if you are interested.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > - Carl
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Carl Steinbach <cws@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I will followup with LinkedIn's legal team regarding getting an SGA. I
> >> don't
> >> think this will be a problem since the same team has already reviewed
> Dr.
> >> Elephant
> >> and approved it for contribution to the Apache incubator.
> >>
> >> - Carl
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry, I missed the copyright and checked only the LICENSE.  Agree
> >>> completely with you and Craig an SGA is needed.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kevin A. McGrail
> >>> Asst. Treasurer & VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
> >>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:19 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:17 PM Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgrail@apache.org
> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Fair enough but it would be procedural not legal.  Who would sign
> >>> said
> >>> > > SGA?  LI or representatives of the GH project?
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > LinkedIn.  And it is a legal need.  Right now, the source files have
> >>> > Copyright LinkedIn on them.  The SGA grants us the ability to remove
> >>> that
> >>> > copyright header.  The CCLA would allow the individual contributors
> to
> >>> > submit the code to us with the appropriate header.  Hence why either
> >>> works
> >>> > in this case.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > Kevin A. McGrail
> >>> > > Asst. Treasurer & VP Fundraising, Apache Software Foundation
> >>> > > Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> >>> > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
> >>> <(703)%20798-0171>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Craig Russell <
> apache.clr@gmail.com>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > If Dr. Elephant *becomes* an Apache project, it needs a SGA.
This
> >>> is
> >>> > part
> >>> > > > of the incubation process, although as Bertrand notes, it's
good
> to
> >>> > know
> >>> > > > ahead of time whether all of the current owners of the code
are
> >>> willing
> >>> > > to
> >>> > > > grant an explicit license to Apache.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/#provenance for
> details.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > If Dr. Elephant is only *used* as a dependency by an Apache
> >>> project, no
> >>> > > > SGA is needed.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Craig
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > > On Mar 7, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <
> >>> kmcgrail@apache.org>
> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > I do not believe an SGA is needed as Dr. Elephant is
licensed
> >>> under
> >>> > > ASF.
> >>> > > > > https://github.com/linkedin/dr-elephant/blob/master/LICENSE
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > Regards,
> >>> > > > > KAM
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > --
> >>> > > > > Kevin A. McGrail
> >>> > > > > Asst. Treasurer & VP Fundraising, Apache Software
Foundation
> >>> > > > > Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> >>> > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
> >>> > <(703)%20798-0171>
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 6:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<
> >>> > > > > bdelacretaz@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >> Hi,
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Carl Steinbach
<
> cws@apache.org
> >>> >
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > >>> = Source and Intellectual Property Submission
Plan =
> >>> > > > >>> ...The Dr. Elephant source code is already licensed
under
> >>> > > > >>> Apache License Version 2.0. Going forward, we
will continue
> to
> >>> have
> >>> > > > >>> all the contributions licensed directly to the
Apache
> Software
> >>> > > > >>> Foundation through our signed Individual Contributor
License
> >>> > > > >>> Agreements for all of the committers on the
project....
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> Note that whoever owns the code (LinkedIn IIUC)
will have to
> >>> submit
> >>> > a
> >>> > > > >> Software Grant to donate it to the ASF:
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> https://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> I think it's prudent to verify that the owners of
the code are
> >>> ready
> >>> > > > >> to sign and submit that document, and mention that
in the
> above
> >>> > > > >> section, before entering incubation.
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> -Bertrand
> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>> > > > >>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Craig L Russell
> >>> > > > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> >>> > > > clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >>> > > >
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