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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2
Date Mon, 22 Jan 2018 16:01:51 GMT
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:36 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 5:33 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The very last thing you’ll find us doing is ignoring your advice. We have
>> taken everything everyone has said and suggested from the very start very
>> seriously.
>>
>> It is for that very reason that, for example, we’d like rat exclusions to
>> be discussed and not ignored and for it also to be affirmed that our test
>> data (some of which is necessarily pseudo code) to not need to be licensed
>> since doing so would break our build and explicit Apache guidelines specify
>> that in these cases no license header is required — which is precisely why
>> we excluded them via rat and precisely why those exlusions should be
>> discussed, not ignored.
>>
>
> The problem though is that rat exclusions are meant to be a sign of things
> that have been vetted and confirmed as not apache licensed, but still
> acceptable for inclusion.  Most projects I have seen use rat exclusions do
> it for:
>
> - build output, we don't care nor should we care, about the output of a
> build from the source release
> - Files that are licensed as other Cat A
> - Files that can't have a header for technical reasons
>
> It is typical that when the IPMC reviews a release, the contents of rat
> exclusions are checked first, to confirm that nothing is accidentally
> excluded that shouldn't be, or that it is excluded and properly licensed.
>
> I'm inclined to vote -1 at this point as well..  I want confirm that the
> list of issues Justin raised have been entered in your backlog.  To me, the
> minimum amount of work that has to be done to convert to a +1 is:
>
> - Remove the binary zip files from the source release
> - Every issue raised by Justin represented in JIRA somewhere


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3

Gj


> - Specific call outs in the README about test data licensing not be Apache
> license
> - Specific call outs somewhere that the XSDs, ENTs, etc are derived from
> other locations
>
>
>
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2018, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > > I am not sure what the point is of spending time on putting rat
>> > exclusions
>> > > together if they’re simply going to be ignored when it comes to IPMC
>> > > members evaluating a release.
>> >
>> > Rat exclusions are fine if they comply with policy and don’t hide things.
>> > I’ve reviewed and voted on 300+ releases on the IPMC list so perhaps I
>> have
>> > some advice to give that you should listen to. You can of course choose
>> to
>> > ignore it.
>> >
>> > > Yes, we can of course discuss those rat exclusions. No, they cannot
>> > simply be ignored and we cannot be confronted
>> > > with a very long list of issues in the IPMC vote thread primarily based
>> > on
>> > > the fact that our rat exclusions have been ignored.
>> >
>> > Some of the issues I’ve brought up are minor and can be fixed in later
>> > releases and some IMO are not and are not in line with ASF licensing or
>> > release policy. I suggest you try are fix those.
>> >
>> > > I would like this to be affirmed by the IPMC and I would like our
>> > mentors to advise on their perspective on this too.
>> >
>> > That would be a good way forward. As I said said previously your mentors
>> > can vote +1 on this release - my vote is not a veto. I would be totally
>> > fine if you got  3 +1 votes from other IPMC members and my vote is the
>> only
>> > -1.That’s how Apache works.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
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