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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:16:49 +0100
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache BatchEE 0.5-incubating
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archived-at: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:17:02 -0000

Otr now. Gitbox just moves the problem one repo further.
It does not help AnYthing for real downstream repos.

Lg
Strub

Mit autocorrect gesendet

> Am 06.12.2017 um 18:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>:=

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> Le 6 d=C3=A9c. 2017 18:22, "Daniel Gruno" <humbedooh@apache.org> a =C3=A9c=
rit :
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> On 12/06/2017 06:18 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>> 2017-12-06 18:14 GMT+01:00 Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org>:
>>>> On 12/06/2017 06:10 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>>> As explained in the original GIT at ASF threads many years ago: you
> cannot easily get rid of a branch at ASF.
>>>> Even if we force-push a delete it will _not_ get propagated downstream
> and would cause clashes if a release needs to be re-rolled.
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>>> Move to gitbox, problem solved?
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>> Doesn't change anything AFAIK since it is the exact same archi no?
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> No it's not the same architecture - that wouldn't make much sense :)
> gitbox is github r/w access with pruning of deleted branches enabled.
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> Not sure I get whay it changes here and you can still not push a tag on th=
e
> mainstream repo until it is vote*d*.
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>>> It strikes me as highly irregular that you are voting on something with
>>> no guaranteed provenance in place. Perhaps this is based on
>>> misinformation? I'd be inclined to vote -1 here, but I just can't be
>>> bothered.
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>> No guarantee is quite rude since it is still mainly about trust
>> between asf people. Or is the issue to use github only?
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> It's not all about trust, it's trust BUT verify. We can verify on the
> ASF side, we can't verify someone's private repository. I'd also point
> to the incubator policy (as john linked to) that states that the source
> must be at ASF for a release vote to be held. Arguably, this is not the
> case here. I'd suggest you simply move the repos to gitbox, give us
> sufficient provenance to vote on the release, and you get to delete
> branches.
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> We vote on the zip sources so this works.
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> Side note: im not against gitbox but topic should move to batchee dev@ ;)
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>>>> That's the reason why we do NOT push the staging branch to the ASF
> cannonical repo. Never did for most ASF projects.
>>>> You can also read this up in the original GIT documentation I worked
> out with Infra and CouchDB.
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>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
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>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 17:36 schrieb John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Right, but the IPMC has general oversight and responsibilities for
>>>>> podlings.  Our requirements for what goes into a release are at
>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#releases
>>>>>=20
>>>>> John
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>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:16 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> @John: depends the project. DeltaSpike, BatchEE and several others
>>>>>> don't and it is fine IMHO.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn
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>>>>>> 2017-12-06 17:04 GMT+01:00 John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:00 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> 2017-12-06 16:41 GMT+01:00 sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> On 6 December 2017 at 08:08, Reinhard Sandtner <
> rsandtner@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey incubator PMCs,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> The Apache BatchEE community has voted and approved the proposal
> to
>>>>>>>> release Apache BatchEE 0.5-incubating.
>>>>>>>>>> Apache BatchEE is a JBatch implementation (JSR-352) which provide=
s
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> enhancements and extensions.
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>>>>>>>>>> You may find the VOTE thread here:
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>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/50c023e02cebcb61bc61aa2ea6112d
> 366b1dba0db04c045b7c1b415b@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/batchee-dev/
> 201712.mbox/%3C501767C2-1220-41F1-A8F9-73330969DAF1@apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> the RESULT VOTE thread can be found here:
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>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/6d05ea8439167e15d720d318c9c284
> 5fbd134ae2967321e3b7540386@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/6d05ea8439167e15d720d318c9c284
> 5fbd134ae2967321e3b7540386@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>>>>>> For information about the contents of this release, see:
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>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> projectId=3D12314924&version=3D12334679
>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> projectId=3D12314924&version=3D12334679
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>>>>>>>>>> The tag is available on my github fork
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>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://github.com/rsandtner/incubator-batchee/tree/
> batchee-0.5-incubating
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://github.com/rsandtner/incubator-batchee/tree/
> batchee-0.5-incubating
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> That does not seem right.
>>>>>>>>> Tags need to be permanent and 'owned' by the (P)PMC
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>>>>>>>> During the vote - and for git - the tags shouldnt hit git@asf to
>>>>>>>> ensure that they are permanent (naming convention hacks don't work
> so
>>>>>>>> using forks is the choice which has been done by several projects,
>>>>>>>> including BatchEE).
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> If it helps I can push the tag on my fork (which would make it owne=
d
>>>>>>>> by the PMC) but since Reihard is a committer I don't see any issue
>>>>>>>> here.
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>>>>>>> I think what we've been doing is pushing to the ASF repos and
> pointing to
>>>>>>> the specific commit hash.
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>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Staging Repo is here:
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>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/
> orgapachebatchee-1005 <
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/
> orgapachebatchee-1005>
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> That is only the Maven staging area.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> The source must be released through the ASF mirror system,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> The staging area for that is here:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/batchee/
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> [If the vote succeeds, the files can be moved here:
>>>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/batchee/]
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Sources can be found here:
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>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/
> orgapachebatchee-1005/org/apache/batchee/batchee/0.5-incubating/batchee-0.=
5-
> incubating-source-release.zip
>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/
> orgapachebatchee-1005/org/apache/batchee/batchee/0.5-incubating/batchee-0.=
5-
> incubating-source-release.zip
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>>>>>>>>>> Release artifacts are singed with the KEY:
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/blob/master/KEYS <
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/blob/master/KEYS>
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> The KEYS file must be under
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/batchee/ as must the sigs an=
d
>>>>>>>>> hashes.
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>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> The vote is open for 72 hours
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> At least 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 batchEE -> coolShipIt()
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 don=E2=80=99t care
>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 do not release because=E2=80=A6
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> thanks, lg
>>>>>>>>>> reini
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