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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] SkyWalking - proposal for Apache Incubation
Date Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:21:59 GMT
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:13 AM mck <mck@apache.org> wrote:

> John, thanks for the time and input. My replies are inline.
>
>
> > > = Proposal =
> > > The goal of this proposal is to bring the existing Skywalking
> > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking codebase and existing
> > > developers and community into the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) in
> > > order to build a global, diverse and self-governed open source
> community
> > > in APM field.
> > >
> >
> > Who owns this code? Will an SGA be provided, or ICLAs from contributors?
> > If ICLAs, are there any of the current 16 contributors who will not
> > provide an ICLA?
>
>
> I gone through this wil Sheng. An SGA will be provided as well as an
> ICLA from contributors.
> Sheng will bring this up with the community and seek confirmation from
> all the committors there, including that he shall be the representative
> of the 'OpenSkywalking Organization' to sign the SGA.
>


Sorry, just saw this.

I don't believe that is correct.  Is the organization a legal entity?  I
would strongly recommend going the ICLA route.  Do all files in the
repository have the copyright claim "Copyright 2017, OpenSkywalking
Organization All rights reserved." ?


>
>
> > > This project started in Open Source on GitHub about more than 2 years
> > > ago. Beginning with a small SDK and collector. So far the
> OpenSkywalking
> > > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization governs the project
> > > through the PMC and Committer Team. The major contributors are from
> > > Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor),  Alibaba Group,
> > > dangdang.com and cloudwise (APM vendor).
> > >
> > >
> > While its understandable outside of Apache the contributions come from
> > companies, while within Apache the contributions should be expected from
> > individuals.  Although I highly like the openness I see from this
> > project.
>
>
> The language here has been corrected.
> That companies have been behind *individuals* is information provided
> separately in the "Affiliations" section.
> Is it a problem in the other places it is mention in the proposal?
>
>
>
> > > == Core Developers ==
> > > The core developers are a diverse group of experienced open source
> > > developers and team leaders.
> > >  * PMC members –
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#project-management-committee-pmc
> > >  * Committer Team members –
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#committer-team
> >
> >
> > Please replace this with a list of all current contributors, with names
> > in english.
>
>
> The PMC section is removed. And all names in english, with the name in
> chinese following.
> It's also been pointed out the english names should appear in the "from"
> field in emails sent to the list.
>
>
>
> > > === Language and Culture ===
> > > Concerns have been raised about language challenges and, as is typical
> > > for developers not strong in english, aware that the community can be
> > > shy in a debate or disagreement when english is used. Having looked
> > > through the project's history this concern can be seen to be minor. The
> > > commitlog is in english, and so are the tickets and the pull requests.
> > > The website and documentation is equally both english and chinese. The
> > > community has been strict upon itself to ensure it became and stays so.
> > > The use of chinese should not be seen as a problem, it is a
> multilingual
> > > world, but it is important that english speakers feel included and able
> > > to contribute freely to the project without having to ask for
> > > translations. To deal with poor or broken english it's important that a
> > > gentler and inclusive community is fostered.
> > >
> >
> > Where have concerns over language challenges been raised?
>
>
> This was in private chat and a zoom video call between Sheng and myself.
> So it's not a documented event.
> Sheng, maybe you also had similar conversations also with Luke?
>
>
>
> > > == Git Repositories ==
> > >  * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking.git
> > >  * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking-ui.git
> > >
> > >
> > The ASF does offer "gitbox" or writable github repositories.  If this is
> > something useful to you, I would recommend it, especially if you're
> > already using github.
>
>
> Thanks for this info!
> This is desired. The proposal has been updated.
>
>
> > > == Initial Incubator PMC ==
> > >  * 吴晟, Sheng Wu  @wu-sheng
> > >  * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng  @peng-yongsheng
> > >  * 张鑫, Xin Zhang  @ascrutae
> > >
> > > == Initial Committer ==
> > >  * 吴晟, Sheng Wu  @wu-sheng
> > >  * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng  @peng-yongsheng
> > >  * 张鑫, Xin Zhang  @ascrutae
> > >  * 高洪涛, Hongtao Gao  @hanahmily
> > >  * 柏杨, Yang Bai  @bai-yang
> > >  * 王凯, Kai Wang  @oracle219
> > >  * 李运涛, Yuntao Li  @lytscu
> > >  * 汪盛, Sheng Wang  @titsquid
> > >  * 司冬雪, Dongxue Si  @IluckySi
> > >  * 张科伟, Kewei Zhang  @zhangkewei
> > >
> >
> >
> > These two sections concern me.  Note that podlings have PPMCs.  I cannot
> > accept three new IPMC members on a podling proposal without much
> > explanation about how they are familiar with the Apache Way.
> >
> > Typically, podlings come into the Incubator with the PPMC == the initial
> > committers.  Is that what you are trying to convey here?
>
>
> Correct. These were intended as PPMC, not IPMC.
> The two separate lists here have been replaced with just the one
> "committor" list.
>
>
> > I'm not sure why there are names with @ in front.  Are these proposed ASF
> > usernames?
>
>
> No. They were github usernames. They've been replaced with email
> addresses.
>
>
> regards,
> Mick
>
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