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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Fluo graduation as TLP
Date Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:51:53 GMT
Hi Josh,

I have some questions:

> On Jul 5, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Josh Elser <elserj@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> As a mentor, I consciously avoided an explicit "+1" until we got some IPMC discussion.
Let me expand:
> 
> The current members of Fluo are great, get the Apache Way, and are self-sufficient. I
have no concerns over them operating as a TLP -- I think they are ready. However, they have
only added a single committer and I see none in the pipeline -- Fluo is defined by the current
committers.

(1) Seems to be a niche project as you state below which is just within the range of 5 contributors.
Am I wrong?

> My hesitation is balancing the Incubators goal of "pushing podlings to graduate" and
ensuring adequate diversity in the podling. This is especially difficult for Fluo as they're
"niche on niche" (it's a difficult dist-sys problem/software, and not many people use the
tech they're building on top of given my view of the world).
> 
> I realize that this discussion could easily spiral out of control, turning into some
meta-discussion about Incubator goals. I want to avoid that.
> 
> I'm looking for some feelings from other IPMC folks about how to approach the Fluo podling
given their specific circumstances. If other people are also hesitant, I would also be interested
in suggestions about what we would concretely change (because I don't know what to suggest
that "fix" the diversity issue for them that isn't changing the core of their project). If
people aren't worried, I'm happy to give an explicit +1.

(2) Has any consideration been given to becoming a project within Accumulo? Or are the goals
of Fluo distinct from and not wholly dependent on Accumulo?

(3) Corollary - it seems a large number of Fluo Initial Committers were also Accumulo PMC.
(I not intentionally rehashing any prior conversation.)

Regards,
Dave


> 
> - Josh
> 
> On 7/3/17 4:15 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>> Hi Christopher,
>> Thanks for the heads up.  A few nits on my part, but overall I would be
>> happy to see Fluo graduate.  When reading my notes, please also consult the
>> graduation guide at [1].
>> - The discussion and vote should have happened on your public dev list, not
>> private.  It's good that at least discussion happened publicly, and the
>> actual vote isn't required so it's not a big deal.
>> - I don't see any sign that you added new committers or PPMC members since
>> incubating.  See also [2].  I don't see that as a show stopper, as it looks
>> like a diverse group.
>> - Of the proposed PMC, how many are actively committing to Fluo?  Was there
>> an ask at any point to see who was still interested?
>> - Only one mentor voted on the graduation.  Would be great to see if the
>> other mentors are equally on board.
>> John
>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>> [2]: https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Fluo
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Greetings Incubator,
>>> 
>>> The Fluo podling has decided to pursue graduation to a TLP. The result of
>>> the internal PPMC vote is at [1] (apologies that it occurred on our private
>>> list instead of on our dev list; the discuss thread [2] which preceded it
>>> did occur on the dev list). Our podling status page has recently been
>>> updated and can be found here[3].
>>> 
>>> Below, you can view the proposed TLP resolution which we'd like to present
>>> to the board with the support of the IPMC, after sufficient discussion here
>>> and subsequent IPMC vote.
>>> 
>>> [1]:
>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/04a9de260fcd14b184ae7a8b725e348e13ee4ad10e3057a6a404732c@%3Cprivate.fluo.apache.org%3E
>>> [2]:
>>> 
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3164d77ea18c3e36ce215ab4a07b2cb80cf9c49c2503ef5d1defbdde@%3Cdev.fluo.apache.org%3E
>>> [3]: https://incubator.apache.org/projects/fluo
>>> 
>>> **********
>>> Establish the Apache Fluo Project
>>> 
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
>>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>>> related to the storage and incremental processing of large data sets.
>>> 
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
>>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Fluo Project", be and hereby is
>>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Fluo Project be and hereby is responsible for
>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to the storage and
>>> incremental processing of large data sets; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Fluo" be and hereby
>>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of
>>> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Fluo Project, and to
>>> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>>> scope of responsibility of the Apache Fluo Project; and be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Fluo Project:
>>> 
>>> * Billie Rinaldi <billie@apache.org>
>>> * Chris McTague <cjmctague@apache.org>
>>> * Christopher Tubbs <ctubbsii@apache.org>
>>> * Corey J. Nolet <cjnolet@apache.org>
>>> * Drew Farris <drew@apache.org>
>>> * Josh Elser <elserj@apache.org>
>>> * Keith Turner <kturner@apache.org>
>>> * Mike Walch <mwalch@apache.org>
>>> 
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Keith Turner be appointed
>>> to the office of Vice President, Apache Fluo, to serve in accordance
>>> with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
>>> Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal
>>> or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
>>> further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Fluo PMC be and hereby is tasked with
>>> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
>>> and increased participation in the Apache Fluo Project; and be it
>>> further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Fluo Project be and hereby is tasked with the
>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Fluo podling; and
>>> be it further
>>> 
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>>> Fluo podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
>>> discharged.
>>> 
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