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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Date Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:23:27 GMT
Adina,

What podling are you on?

John

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <adina@usna.edu> wrote:

> I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not on
> the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
> multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers on
> active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
> committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
> list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
> are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
> those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
> implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
> the purpose of generating the list.  (I believe that the assumption that
> all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption: that
> all
> > >> mentors
> > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> > >> >
> > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> > >>
> > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> > directly.
> > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the existing
> > >> processes.
> > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Agreed.  I appreciate the concise report.  We should plan to add these
> > > individuals.
> >
> > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
> >
> > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed as a
> > >> committer of any podling"
> > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> > >> Does that matter?
> > >>
> > > I was thinking about this.  I think I mis-stated the behavior of adding
> > > someone to the PPMC.  There is no requirement to remove them from
> > > incubator.  That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> > graduated
> > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
> >
> > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> > updated.
> >
> > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> > incubator resources and do away with this list.
> >
> > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.  I
> > feel
> > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
> > unless
> > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
> their
> > > mentor roles.  What do others think?
> >
> > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately.  As Sebb
> > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> > being added to the IPMC:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
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>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
> adina@usna.edu
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>

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