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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Date Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:23:20 GMT
Alright, we'll have to look, I was hoping it was something obvious but
everything about your setup looks correct.  And I should have known which
podling you were on - I think we even met at ACNA.

John

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM Adina Crainiceanu <adina@usna.edu> wrote:

> John,
>
> I'm a committer and PPMC member for Rya
>
> Adina
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Adina,
> >
> > What podling are you on?
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <adina@usna.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not
> > on
> > > the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
> > > multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are
> committers
> > on
> > > active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
> > > committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
> > > list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated
> podlings
> > > are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
> > > those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
> > > implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers
> for
> > > the purpose of generating the list.  (I believe that the assumption
> that
> > > all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> > > > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <
> rubys@intertwingly.net
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption:
> that
> > > all
> > > > >> mentors
> > > > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
> > > > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
> > > > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
> > > > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
> > > > directly.
> > > > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the
> > existing
> > > > >> processes.
> > > > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
> > > > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > > Agreed.  I appreciate the concise report.  We should plan to add
> > these
> > > > > individuals.
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
> > > >
> > > > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed
> > as a
> > > > >> committer of any podling"
> > > > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
> > > > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
> > > > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
> > > > >> Does that matter?
> > > > >>
> > > > > I was thinking about this.  I think I mis-stated the behavior of
> > adding
> > > > > someone to the PPMC.  There is no requirement to remove them from
> > > > > incubator.  That's actually how I got started, my podling already
> > > > graduated
> > > > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
> > > >
> > > > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
> > > > updated.
> > > >
> > > > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
> > > > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
> > > > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
> > > > incubator resources and do away with this list.
> > > >
> > > > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.
> > I
> > > > feel
> > > > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened
> but
> > > > unless
> > > > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
> > > their
> > > > > mentor roles.  What do others think?
> > > >
> > > > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately.  As Sebb
> > > > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
> > > > being added to the IPMC:
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
> > > >
> > > > - Sam Ruby
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> > > Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > United States Naval Academy
> > > 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822> <(410)%20293-6822>
> > > adina@usna.edu
> > > http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>

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