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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: Updating PPMC rosters via whimsy
Date Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:41:28 GMT
Sorry about that.  Fixed.  Thanks for reviewing the output!

- Sam Ruby

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Adina Crainiceanu <adina@usna.edu> wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm a committer and PPMC member for Rya
>
> Adina
>
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Adina,
>>
>> What podling are you on?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM Adina Crainiceanu <adina@usna.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I just wanted to mention that in the "Incubator committers that are not
>> on
>> > the IPMC and are not listed as a committer of any podling" I noticed
>> > multiple names (myself included - Adina Crainiceanu), who are committers
>> on
>> > active podlings and are still included in the list. For example, I am a
>> > committer and PPMC member for Apache Rya (incubating). Not sure how the
>> > list was generated, but not only committers of already graduated podlings
>> > are on the list, but also committers of active podlings. Maybe because
>> > those people are part of the PPMC of a podling and therefore they are
>> > implicit committers, but somehow they were not considered committers for
>> > the purpose of generating the list.  (I believe that the assumption that
>> > all PPMC members are commiters is/should be true)
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 5:58 AM sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On 11 June 2017 at 00:18, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
wrote:
>> > > >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net
>> >
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> For that reason, I'd like to make a simplifying assumption:
that
>> > all
>> > > >> mentors
>> > > >> >> are PPMC members, and all PPMC members are committers.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Existing records that violate one or more assumptions:
>> > > >> > https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podling-crosscheck
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Podling Committers that are not Incubator committers"
>> > > >> AFAIK, that should not happen.
>> > > >> Probably mostly existing ASF committers being added to podlings
>> > > directly.
>> > > >> New committers should be added to Incubator + podling by the
>> existing
>> > > >> processes.
>> > > >> I think it would make sense to just add them to the Incubator
>> > > >> committer list so they have the appropriate karma.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > > Agreed.  I appreciate the concise report.  We should plan to add
>> these
>> > > > individuals.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to add them from the ppmc page.
>> > >
>> > > >> "Incubator committers that are not on the IPMC and are not listed
>> as a
>> > > >> committer of any podling"
>> > > >> Most likely they were on podlings that are no longer active.
>> > > >> I don't think any cleanup of the list is done when podlings exit
>> > > >> incubation, so this list will continue growing.
>> > > >> Does that matter?
>> > > >>
>> > > > I was thinking about this.  I think I mis-stated the behavior of
>> adding
>> > > > someone to the PPMC.  There is no requirement to remove them from
>> > > > incubator.  That's actually how I got started, my podling already
>> > > graduated
>> > > > but I still had my incubator commit bit.
>> > >
>> > > Some of that list is because not all of the podling rosters have been
>> > > updated.
>> > >
>> > > But if the plan is to have a monotonically increasing list of people
>> > > who ever were associated with a podling at any point in the past, it
>> > > may make sense to change things so that all committers have access to
>> > > incubator resources and do away with this list.
>> > >
>> > > > The list that does worry me is the list of mentors not on the IPMC.
>> I
>> > > feel
>> > > > like that requires a bit more research to find out what happened but
>> > > unless
>> > > > those people are members they're probably going to be removed from
>> > their
>> > > > mentor roles.  What do others think?
>> > >
>> > > The individuals should probably be evaluated separately.  As Sebb
>> > > points out, most are ASF members, and therefore are one ask away from
>> > > being added to the IPMC:
>> > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/pmc.html#joining
>> > >
>> > > - Sam Ruby
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
>> > Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> > United States Naval Academy
>> > 410-293-6822 <(410)%20293-6822>
>> > adina@usna.edu
>> > http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/

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