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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Pulsar - proposal for Apache Incubation
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:55:36 -0700
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Hi -

I had a discussion with Joe and another gentleman involved in Pulsar.

They asked how long incubation takes. I answered that it depends. We =
reviewed some of the steps needed in Incubation particularly:

- Release process with correct LICENSE and NOTICE
- Community building requirement - especially accepting and promoting =
someone new from outside the initial committers.
- Everything on the ML meaning decisions which might be made in =
conversation need to be there for a review over a few rotations of the =
planet. I mentioned BFDLs not being what is wanted and told the 10 year =
old story of POI=E2=80=99s OOXML flame.
- Build infrastructure questions regarding unit tests some of which will =
be preferred on clusters. Some are currently proprietary. I=E2=80=99m =
not sure what Apache Infra currently supports so negotiation is =
required.

I think that there is a good chance for a diverse community that will =
not be wholly dependent on Yahoo.

End result - I am willing to sign up as a Mentor for Pulsar.

Regards,
Dave

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> =
wrote:
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> Hi John,
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> I am trying to decide if I personally wish to mentor Pulsar and will =
be asking technical questions. IMO this is not appropriate to an =
Incubator discussion. Anything that surfaces that is appropriate can be =
brought back to this discussion.
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> There is no intension to subvert Incubator process.
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> I certainly understand asynchronous global teams. I've spent many =
years working with development teams in Moscow and India.
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> We can have a separate discussion about how misunderstandings can =
cause email threads to totally blow up.
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> Regards,
> Dave
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:20 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> =
wrote:
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>> I'm sorry but I'm a bit dumb founded by this part of the thread.  =
I'll
>> apologize up front for my bluntness.
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>> In the incubator, we're trying to teach projects to deal with =
asynchronous
>> communication.  The last thing we should be doing is encouraging =
phone
>> calls/real time meetings.  If there are technical questions, and you =
feel
>> they need to be answered prior to starting incubation that's =
perfectly fine
>> - but try to get the answers in ways we would expect, via public =
mailing
>> lists.
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>> John
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>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:17 PM Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> =
wrote:
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>>> Hi -
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>>> I am in California and could do a webex this Monday.
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>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org> =
wrote:
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>>>>> On 26.04.2017 23:19, Joe Francis wrote:
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>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community,
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>>>>> We would like to submit the Pulsar proposal to the incubator.  Our
>>> draft is
>>>>> available at:
>>>>>  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PulsarProposal
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>>>>> A quick overview of Pulsar:
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>>>>> Pulsar is a highly scalable, low latency messaging platform =
running on
>>>>> commodity hardware. It provides simple pub-sub semantics over =
topics,
>>>>> guaranteed at-least-once delivery of messages, automatic cursor
>>> management for
>>>>> subscribers, and cross-datacenter replication.
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>>>> Without really knowing the details of a messaging platform and even =
with
>>> the danger of comparing apples and oranges... how would you compare =
for
>>> example hazelcast based messaging to pulsar?
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>>>> bye Jochen
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