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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Podling release vote terminology
Date Tue, 09 May 2017 22:42:54 GMT
Craig,

If you have a case to site, it may make it easier to follow how it would be
different.

One area where I do see consistent confusion on are the votes that count.
I personally want to see a more fluid vote policy, but it should be clearer
which votes were cast and which votes are binding.

At one point, I updated [1] to reflect the binding part, but the struggle
remains.

John

[1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#PPMC+binding+votes


On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:00 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've seen a few (recent) incubator votes that imply that there are two
> separate, distinct votes: one in the podling and one in the incubator
> general. And lots of questions about binding votes and carried-over votes
> and whose votes are counted.
>
> I'd like to suggest:
>
> There is one vote for a podling release candidate. The first phase of the
> vote takes place on the podling dev list. Anyone can vote. An affirmative
> vote by three PPMC members (including mentors) is sufficient to start the
> second phase, which takes place on the incubator general list. An
> individual's vote can be changed any time during either phase until the
> final vote is tallied.
>
> All votes are counted. Only IPMC member votes are binding. The final tally
> counts affirmative, neutral, and negative votes from both phases combined
> and affirmative, neutral and negative binding votes from both phases
> combined.
>
> This terminology answers questions about:
>
> Whether PPMC votes are binding. They are not.
> Whether IPMC member votes on the first phase of voting carry over to the
> second phase. They do.
> Whether public votes in either phase count. They do.
> Whether public votes in either phase are binding. They are not.
>
> If we agree on the terminology, I'll see what documents need to be updated.
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
>
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