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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Livy Proposal for Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 22 May 2017 19:42:23 GMT
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:30 PM Sean Busbey <busbey@apache.org> wrote:

> On 2017-05-21 09:46 (-0500), "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:45 PM Sean Busbey <busbey@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > == Reliance on salaried Developers ==
> > >
> > > The existing contributors to the Livy project have been made by
> salaried
> > > engineers from Cloudera, Microsoft and Hortonworks. Since there are
> three
> > > major organisations involved, the risk of reliance on a single group of
> > > salaried developers is mitigated. The Livy user base is diverse, with
> users
> > > from across the globe, including users from academic settings. We aim
> to
> > > further diversify the Livy user and contributor base.
> > >
> >
> > There's a disconnect between this paragraph and the initial committers
> > list. Specifically, no one from Microsoft is represented (as best as I
> can
> > tell).
>
> Ah, this lack of clarity is my fault as an editor. One of the initial
> committers was recently employed by Microsoft but is now in the
> process of changing employers. Another person formally affiliated with
> both the project and Microsoft has decided not to continue
> participating.
>
> I could rephrase this to talk about the contributions made to date as
> being from individuals then in the employ of three major companies.
> Then call out the initial committer list as from two of those and one
> unaffiliated. Would that read clearer?
>
>
I think the explanation is enough, nothing to change.


> > > Cloudera currently owns the domain name: http://livy.io/ which will be
> > > transferred to the ASF and redirected to the official page during
> > > incubation.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm assuming that the incoming project is aware that we expect the main
> dev
> > landing page to be livy.incubator.apache.org . We will want to track
> this
> > as a project specific item.
>
>
> Yep, once all the docs are moved over to ASF infrastructure we can
> just have the current domain act as a redirect. Should I call this out
> in the proposal?
>
>
It would be good to list out the goal of moving to livy.i.a.o but not
needed.


>
> > > == Git Repository ==
> > >
> > > git://git.apache.org/livy
> > >
> >
> > Just to confirm - it'll be incubator-livy, not just livy.
>
> right right. I'll correct this when making the other edits.
>
>
> > > == Issue Tracking ==
> > >
> > > We would like to import our current JIRA project into the ASF JIRA,
> such
> > > that our historical commit message and code comments continue to
> reference
> > > the appropriate bug numbers.
> > >
> >
> > I would recommend reaching out to infra to see if the import is possible
> > before voting on the project. Otherwise you'll need to list out an la
>
> Sure I can reach out. I've seen this done a few times, so I consider
> it low risk. The end of your line appears to have been lost, what's
> the "Otherwise..." ?
>
>
Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there either.  I checked my mail client,
E_NOCLUE.

"list out an alternative" is what I was typing.


> > > = Sponsors =
> > > == Champion ==
> > >
> > > * Sean Busbey (busbey@apache.org)
> > >
> > > == Nominated Mentors ==
> > >
> > > * Bikas Saha (bikas@apache.org)
> > > * Brock Noland (brock@phdata.io)
> >
> >
> > A couple of points:
> >
> > - Sean, while the champion and mentor roles are separate, we do hope that
> > all champions will continue on as a mentor. If this is your intention
> > please add yourself.
>
> After having to withdraw from mentoring a couple of podlings at the
> end of last year I am conservative about what my volunteer time looks
> like right now. I'm certain I can spare the time to help the Livy
> community get introduced to the incubator. I'm not certain beyond
> that, so I am not listed as a formal mentor.
>
> >  - All mentors must be on the IPMC. Foundation membership isn't a
> > requirement, however most people use membership to get access to the
> IPMC.
> > If Bikas wants to be a mentor, he'll need to join the IPMC otherwise
> you'll
> > need to find 2 mentors.
>
> I was pretty sure Bikas had already done this step. I'll chase this
> down and find the disconnect.
>
> > - Do the proposed mentors have a relationship to the incoming project,
> e.g.
> > do they care if it succeeds from a corporate interest standpoint?
>
> I'll let the mentors answer for themselves here, as I won't presume to
> know their specific motivations for volunteering.
>
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