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From Kostas Sakellis <kos...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Livy Proposal for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 24 May 2017 00:52:55 GMT
Thank you John for the feedback.

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey@apache.org> wrote:

> On 2017-05-21 09:46 (-0500), "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:45 PM Sean Busbey <busbey@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > == Reliance on salaried Developers ==
> > >
> > > The existing contributors to the Livy project have been made by
> salaried
> > > engineers from Cloudera, Microsoft and Hortonworks. Since there are
> three
> > > major organisations involved, the risk of reliance on a single group of
> > > salaried developers is mitigated. The Livy user base is diverse, with
> users
> > > from across the globe, including users from academic settings. We aim
> to
> > > further diversify the Livy user and contributor base.
> > >
> >
> > There's a disconnect between this paragraph and the initial committers
> > list. Specifically, no one from Microsoft is represented (as best as I
> can
> > tell).
>
> Ah, this lack of clarity is my fault as an editor. One of the initial
> committers was recently employed by Microsoft but is now in the
> process of changing employers. Another person formally affiliated with
> both the project and Microsoft has decided not to continue
> participating.
>
> I could rephrase this to talk about the contributions made to date as
> being from individuals then in the employ of three major companies.
> Then call out the initial committer list as from two of those and one
> unaffiliated. Would that read clearer?
>

I modified this section in the proposal to read: "The contributions to the
Livy project to date have been made by salaried engineers from Cloudera,
Microsoft and Hortonworks. One of the individuals on the initial committer
list has since left Microsoft and is currently unaffiliated. The remaining
contributors are from Cloudera and Hortonworks. Since there are at least
two major organizations involved, the risk of reliance on a single group of
salaried developers is mitigated. The Livy user base is diverse, with users
from across the globe, including users from academic settings. We aim to
further diversify the Livy user and contributor base."


>
> > > Cloudera currently owns the domain name: http://livy.io/ which will be
> > > transferred to the ASF and redirected to the official page during
> > > incubation.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I'm assuming that the incoming project is aware that we expect the main
> dev
> > landing page to be livy.incubator.apache.org . We will want to track
> this
> > as a project specific item.
>
>
> Yep, once all the docs are moved over to ASF infrastructure we can
> just have the current domain act as a redirect. Should I call this out
> in the proposal?
>
> I modified the proposal to say: "Cloudera currently owns the domain name:
http://livy.io/. Once all the documentation has moved over to ASF
infrastructure, the main landing page will become livy.incubator.apache.org
and the old domain will just act as a redirect."


>
> > > == Git Repository ==
> > >
> > > git://git.apache.org/livy
> > >
> >
> > Just to confirm - it'll be incubator-livy, not just livy.
>
> right right. I'll correct this when making the other edits.
>
> Added the correction to the proposal


>
> > > == Issue Tracking ==
> > >
> > > We would like to import our current JIRA project into the ASF JIRA,
> such
> > > that our historical commit message and code comments continue to
> reference
> > > the appropriate bug numbers.
> > >
> >
> > I would recommend reaching out to infra to see if the import is possible
> > before voting on the project. Otherwise you'll need to list out an la
>
> Sure I can reach out. I've seen this done a few times, so I consider
> it low risk. The end of your line appears to have been lost, what's
> the "Otherwise..." ?
>
> > > = Sponsors =
> > > == Champion ==
> > >
> > > * Sean Busbey (busbey@apache.org)
> > >
> > > == Nominated Mentors ==
> > >
> > > * Bikas Saha (bikas@apache.org)
> > > * Brock Noland (brock@phdata.io)
> >
> >
> > A couple of points:
> >
> > - Sean, while the champion and mentor roles are separate, we do hope that
> > all champions will continue on as a mentor. If this is your intention
> > please add yourself.
>
> After having to withdraw from mentoring a couple of podlings at the
> end of last year I am conservative about what my volunteer time looks
> like right now. I'm certain I can spare the time to help the Livy
> community get introduced to the incubator. I'm not certain beyond
> that, so I am not listed as a formal mentor.
>
> >  - All mentors must be on the IPMC. Foundation membership isn't a
> > requirement, however most people use membership to get access to the
> IPMC.
> > If Bikas wants to be a mentor, he'll need to join the IPMC otherwise
> you'll
> > need to find 2 mentors.
>
> I was pretty sure Bikas had already done this step. I'll chase this
> down and find the disconnect.
>
> > - Do the proposed mentors have a relationship to the incoming project,
> e.g.
> > do they care if it succeeds from a corporate interest standpoint?
>
> I'll let the mentors answer for themselves here, as I won't presume to
> know their specific motivations for volunteering.
>
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