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From Jim Apple <jbap...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: Podling release vote terminology
Date Tue, 09 May 2017 18:37:39 GMT
In that case, I oppose this change. I believe the status quo is just as
clear as this new proposal.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Good questions.
>
> > On May 9, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Jim Apple <jbapple@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >
> > If PPMC members A, B, and C, who are not IPMC members, vote +1 on a
> > release, and then the second phase starts, acquires three +1 IPMC votes,
> > but A, B, and C change their votes to -1, does the release pass?
>
> Binding votes: 3 +1
> non-binding votes: 3 -1
>
> The binding votes determine the outcome. The vote passes.
> >
> > Hoe long must the first phase last? How long may it last?
>
> Usual rules. No change.
> >
> > If in the first phase, the vote is +3 to -4, may the release manager
> begin
> > the second phase?
>
> No. The usual rules apply to the first phase. More positive than negative
> votes. At least three PPMC members must cast votes in order to go to the
> second phase.
>
> Craig
> >
> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I've seen a few (recent) incubator votes that imply that there are two
> >> separate, distinct votes: one in the podling and one in the incubator
> >> general. And lots of questions about binding votes and carried-over
> votes
> >> and whose votes are counted.
> >>
> >> I'd like to suggest:
> >>
> >> There is one vote for a podling release candidate. The first phase of
> the
> >> vote takes place on the podling dev list. Anyone can vote. An
> affirmative
> >> vote by three PPMC members (including mentors) is sufficient to start
> the
> >> second phase, which takes place on the incubator general list. An
> >> individual's vote can be changed any time during either phase until the
> >> final vote is tallied.
> >>
> >> All votes are counted. Only IPMC member votes are binding. The final
> tally
> >> counts affirmative, neutral, and negative votes from both phases
> combined
> >> and affirmative, neutral and negative binding votes from both phases
> >> combined.
> >>
> >> This terminology answers questions about:
> >>
> >> Whether PPMC votes are binding. They are not.
> >> Whether IPMC member votes on the first phase of voting carry over to the
> >> second phase. They do.
> >> Whether public votes in either phase count. They do.
> >> Whether public votes in either phase are binding. They are not.
> >>
> >> If we agree on the terminology, I'll see what documents need to be
> updated.
> >>
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> clr@apache.org
> >>
> >>
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>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
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