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From Casey Stella <ceste...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Metron podling Graduation
Date Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:31:36 GMT
The discussion seems to have died down enough that I feel comfortable
opening up a new VOTE thread.  Thanks everyone who has contributed; I know
that the Metron community appreciates the feedback and discussion.

Best,

Casey

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dave;  I think that we all appreciate the concerns around
> insulating the project from a single sponsor.   The fact that we do take
> the ASF processes seriously is one of the things that makes the community
> comforted, I think.  I appreciate the diligence in ensuring that we have
> our ducks in a row from that perspective.
>
> Best,
>
> Casey
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you for the answers.
>>
>> I am all for graduation if Metron.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> > To clarify, we have 24 PPMC members, of which 12 are
>> Hortonworks-affiliated
>> > and 12 are not. We have 6 additional committers who are not PPMC
>> members.
>> > Some of them are affiliated and some of them are not. For the purpose of
>> > this, we only captured the affiliations of the PPMC members.
>> >
>> > I did some quick analysis of the git log and found the following:
>> >
>> > % Commits by Hortonworkers: 79%
>> >
>> > % Contributors affiliated to Hortonworks: 42%
>> >
>> > In associating affiliation, I am being as generous as possible and
>> > including people who I know to work at Hortonworks who may or may not
>> be in
>> > the engineering organization.  I know that some of these people are
>> > contributing to Metron in their spare time as independent open source
>> > contributions.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Casey
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:03 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 PM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To be honest, I don't know, but I don't see it as a problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I will admit upfront that I am a Hortonworks employee, so there
is
>> >>>> potential for bias. But I always try to wear the right hat, even
>> when my
>> >>>> position may not please my employer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As a mentor (to this and other podlings), I try to instill that
ethic
>> >>>> during incubation and thereafter.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the Metron community I see some that share that ethic. They
>> selected
>> >> a
>> >>>> PMC Chair that gets it and I trust will serve the project well in
>> that
>> >> role.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes, the project is Hortonworks-heavy. But I think they are doing
>> things
>> >>>> right in terms of the Apache Way. I also intend to participate in
the
>> >> PMC
>> >>>> to help ensure it remains that way.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>> Agreed - from what I have seen, Hortonworks as a company understands
>> the
>> >>> Apache Way and is able to ensure that it is held in open source
>> projects.
>> >>> I see no concerns with Metron graduating.
>> >>
>> >> Sure, but the question is not about whether or not HortonWorks
>> understands
>> >> the Apache Way. It is what happens to Metron if HortonWorks is no
>> longer
>> >> interested in the project?
>> >>
>> >> Given the experience with OpenOffice I think we need to always ask
>> this.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> -Taylor
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is a list of 24 of which 12 are Hortonworks.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Can we assume that the other 12 of which 6 are PPMC are
>> unaffiliated?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What percentage of the commits are coming from Hortonworks
>> affiliated
>> >>>> contributors?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Dave
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Casey Stella <cestella@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Of course, very fair question.  Also, yes, the we have 36
>> committers
>> >> as
>> >>>> all
>> >>>>>> PPMC members are committers.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The affiliations are as follows:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hortonworks:
>> >>>>>> * Sheetal Dolas (sheetal_dolas)
>> >>>>>> * Larry McCay (lmccay)
>> >>>>>> * P. Taylor Goetz (ptgoetz)
>> >>>>>> * Ryan Merriman (rmerriman)
>> >>>>>> * James Sirota (jsirota)
>> >>>>>> * Casey Stella (cstella)
>> >>>>>> * David Lyle (lyle)
>> >>>>>> * Nick Allen (nickallen)
>> >>>>>> * George Vetticaden (gvetticaden)
>> >>>>>> * Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli (vinodkv)
>> >>>>>> * Kiran Komaravolu (kirankom)
>> >>>>>> * Michael Perez (mperez)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cisco:
>> >>>>>> * Debo Dutta (ddutta)
>> >>>>>> * Discovery Gerdes (discovery)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rackspace:
>> >>>>>> * Oskar Zabik (smogg)
>> >>>>>> * Andrew Hartnett (dev_warlord)
>> >>>>>> * Paul Kehrer (reaperhulk)
>> >>>>>> * Sean Schulte (sirsean)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> B23:
>> >>>>>> * Mark Bittmann (mbittmann)
>> >>>>>> * Dave Hirko (dbhirko)
>> >>>>>> * Brad Kolarov (bjkolly)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mantech:
>> >>>>>> * Charles Porter (cporter)
>> >>>>>> * Ray Urciuoli (rurcioli)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fogbeam Labs:
>> >>>>>> * Phillip Rhodes (prhodes)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:34 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <
>> ptgoetz@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:38 PM, John D. Ament <
>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:10 PM P. Taylor Goetz
<
>> ptgoetz@gmail.com
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> As a mentor, I fully support Metron's graduation.
The community
>> has
>> >>>>>>> come a
>> >>>>>>>>> long way, learned to make solid releases, build
a sustainable
>> >>>> community,
>> >>>>>>>>> and follow the Apache Way.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> One minor nit: The paddling status page is missing
a few Apache
>> >> IDs,
>> >>>>>>> but I
>> >>>>>>>>> see them in the resolution, so it's an easy
fix.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Paddlings are always out of sync :-P
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> One other nit - I'm not sure why you only have 6
committers.  I
>> >> think
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> mean 30 committers (all PMC members are committers).
 Can you
>> >> provide
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> associations of PMC members and employers?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Metron PPMC,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Can you respond? I feel this is a valid question.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -Taylor
>> >>>>>>>
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