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From Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Slack
Date Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:07:10 GMT
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Wade Chandler <wadechandler@apache.org>
wrote:

> I have used Gitter; not a good product honestly; not really comparable. IRC
> has limitations in the editing and group experience. The others require
> keeping up infrastructure. Slack just works, and works well for what it
> does. Some of us in the NB community discussed these points while setting
> it up and choosing. Too, they have been letting communities use it for free
> a long time. We use Atlassian products too, but don't get me going on
> hipchat differences; one of which is the sed like comment editing oddness.
>
> Thanks
>
> Wade
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 12:57 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue.fan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand the desire to use a closed-source, proprietary,
> > locked-down walled-garden application like Slack to begin with.   Why
> > not use one of the several open-source look-a-like versions that are
> > available?  Or use Gitter, which is about to go Open Source[1].
> >
> > [1]: https://venturebeat.com/2017/03/15/gitlab-acquires-
> > software-chat-startup-gitter-will-open-source-the-code/
> >
> >
> > Phil
> > This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Wade Chandler <wadechandler@apache.org
> >
> > wrote:
> > > The 90 member thing is really odd to me. I think you should write Slack
> > help to ask for details about your issue. The agreement does mention
> > invites where people don’t accept, and too many of those, could reduce
> your
> > ability to add more members, but this has been really rare in my
> > experience, and we have way more for NetBeans, and other than perhaps 10
> > people, our over 300+ members were self invited using
> > https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> Too,
> before
> > I set all this up, one of the questions I specifically asked Slack was
> > related to limitations, members, etc as it was a worry for us, and they
> > said there is no real limit on the number of members, but did mention the
> > message limits on logging etc, and directed us to setup a log bot while
> > taking our request for some other OSS subscription models.
> > >
> > > Hope it helps,
> > >
> > > Wade
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mar 27, 2017, at 01:37, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yes, but they will be member anyway, so it won't change the limit we
> > have today (90), right ?
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> JB
> > >>
> > >> On 03/27/2017 06:56 AM, Yaniv Rodenski wrote:
> > >>> Hi JB,
> > >>>
> > >>> A common practice/hack is to create a small web app that allows
> people
> > to
> > >>> send themselves invitations using the Slack API.
> > >>> For example:
> > >>> http://www.skill-space.com/blog/2015/11/16/create-an-
> > auto-invite-channel-using-slack-heroku1
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Yaniv
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 3:40 pm, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Wade,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You are right: invite people on Slack means adding them as member.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However, how can we accept Slack participants without inviting
them
> ?
> > Is it
> > >>>> possible ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks !
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>> JB
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 03/26/2017 07:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> > >>>>> My understanding is there isn’t a max limit on Slack for
users for
> > free,
> > >>>> and I have confirmed this with Slack there is not supposed to be
a
> > >>>> limitation on numbers of members. NetBeans for instance has 320
> > members.
> > >>>> Did someone tell you this or did you run into some issue? If so,
you
> > might
> > >>>> write them to ask what is the deal.. It could be the difference
in
> > setup;
> > >>>> we use a registration page which sends invitations
> > >>>> https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/>
and
> is
> > >>>> using bots from https://stacktodo.com/ <https://stacktodo.com/>
Or,
> > it
> > >>>> could be something about when it was setup and differences in plans
> > over
> > >>>> time.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It doesn’t change the limits on the log and file storage,
but we
> > explain
> > >>>> to folks it is for ephemeral real time communication and never
to be
> > >>>> considered historic, but we are looking into setting up a log bot
> > which
> > >>>> Slack personnel told us could also be helpful for OSS use. Slack
> said
> > they
> > >>>> don’t have plans for more features for OSS specific projects
at the
> > moment
> > >>>> as one request from us was they make some new individual/personal
> low
> > pay
> > >>>> option which could help communities with dedicated membership to
pay
> > for
> > >>>> their own personal use, but they said no plans at this time, but
> > would take
> > >>>> it into consideration as an idea.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wade
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 01:58, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Slack is very convenient for quick communication, but clearly,
it
> > >>>> doesn't change that the mailing list is the first communication
> > channel. If
> > >>>> discussions happen on Slack, minute notes/discussion has to be
> > forwarded on
> > >>>> the mailing list.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I wonder if we plan to ask for some "pro" Slack account
for Apache
> > >>>> projects (as we have license for IntelliJ for example). Now, at
> Apache
> > >>>> Beam, we reached the max capacity of the Slack free version (90
> Slack
> > users
> > >>>> on Beam channel and limited history). We already received new member
> > >>>> request that we can't accept for now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thoughts ?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards
> > >>>>>> JB
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 03/22/2017 10:37 PM, Craig Russell wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hi James,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> There was a pretty extensive discussion on the netbeans
dev list.
> > I’d
> > >>>> encourage you to review this thread https://lists.apache.org/
> > thread.html/
> > >>>> 2dce365d03334c82d31b12c8b3dcad1a925a2f71af75658b8d8a5a07@%
> > >>>> 3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You can get all of the messages in the thread by doing
a quick
> > search
> > >>>> for “slack” on the dev@netbeans.apache.org list in lists.apache.org
> .
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My takeaway is that Slack not a substitute for email.
But it is
> > useful
> > >>>> for ping-pong communication when people are in the heat of
> > development.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> But no decisions are made on Slack, and any discussion
there
> (aside
> > >>>> from “add a semicolon there” and “let’s get lunch") needs
to be
> > brought
> > >>>> back to the dev list.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The underlying principle is that “if it didn’t
happen on dev,
> then
> > it
> > >>>> didn’t happen”. We strive for open, inclusive communications
at
> > Apache and
> > >>>> that means attempting to encourage participation by everyone who
> > wants to,
> > >>>> regardless of primary language, time zone, and availability of
> tools.
> > (We
> > >>>> assume everyone has a device that handles email clients).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hope this helps.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Craig
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, James Bognar <
> jamesbognar@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Can someone remind me?  I thought there was a discussion
a
> couple
> > of
> > >>>> months
> > >>>>>>>> ago about allowing incubator projects to use Slack
for
> > >>>> communication.  What
> > >>>>>>>> was the final decision?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Craig L Russell
> > >>>>>>> clr@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >>>> jbonofre@apache.org
> > >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > >> jbonofre@apache.org
> > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> > >>
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Personally. I like IRC. Chat is chat, it is really simple. I do not get the
slack craze. Its features like search etc are "ok" at best. It's file
sharing was borked during last s3 outage. I think we could get about the
same mileage out of a hosted:

https://kiwiirc.com/

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