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From Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Slack
Date Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:32:11 GMT
The 90 member thing is really odd to me. I think you should write Slack help to ask for details
about your issue. The agreement does mention invites where people don’t accept, and too
many of those, could reduce your ability to add more members, but this has been really rare
in my experience, and we have way more for NetBeans, and other than perhaps 10 people, our
over 300+ members were self invited using https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/>
Too, before I set all this up, one of the questions I specifically asked Slack was related
to limitations, members, etc as it was a worry for us, and they said there is no real limit
on the number of members, but did mention the message limits on logging etc, and directed
us to setup a log bot while taking our request for some other OSS subscription models.

Hope it helps,

Wade



> On Mar 27, 2017, at 01:37, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but they will be member anyway, so it won't change the limit we have today (90),
right ?
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
> On 03/27/2017 06:56 AM, Yaniv Rodenski wrote:
>> Hi JB,
>> 
>> A common practice/hack is to create a small web app that allows people to
>> send themselves invitations using the Slack API.
>> For example:
>> http://www.skill-space.com/blog/2015/11/16/create-an-auto-invite-channel-using-slack-heroku1
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Yaniv
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 3:40 pm, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Wade,
>>> 
>>> You are right: invite people on Slack means adding them as member.
>>> 
>>> However, how can we accept Slack participants without inviting them ? Is it
>>> possible ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks !
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>> 
>>> On 03/26/2017 07:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>> My understanding is there isn’t a max limit on Slack for users for free,
>>> and I have confirmed this with Slack there is not supposed to be a
>>> limitation on numbers of members. NetBeans for instance has 320 members.
>>> Did someone tell you this or did you run into some issue? If so, you might
>>> write them to ask what is the deal.. It could be the difference in setup;
>>> we use a registration page which sends invitations
>>> https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> and is
>>> using bots from https://stacktodo.com/ <https://stacktodo.com/> Or, it
>>> could be something about when it was setup and differences in plans over
>>> time.
>>>> 
>>>> It doesn’t change the limits on the log and file storage, but we explain
>>> to folks it is for ephemeral real time communication and never to be
>>> considered historic, but we are looking into setting up a log bot which
>>> Slack personnel told us could also be helpful for OSS use. Slack said they
>>> don’t have plans for more features for OSS specific projects at the moment
>>> as one request from us was they make some new individual/personal low pay
>>> option which could help communities with dedicated membership to pay for
>>> their own personal use, but they said no plans at this time, but would take
>>> it into consideration as an idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Wade
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 01:58, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Slack is very convenient for quick communication, but clearly, it
>>> doesn't change that the mailing list is the first communication channel. If
>>> discussions happen on Slack, minute notes/discussion has to be forwarded on
>>> the mailing list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if we plan to ask for some "pro" Slack account for Apache
>>> projects (as we have license for IntelliJ for example). Now, at Apache
>>> Beam, we reached the max capacity of the Slack free version (90 Slack users
>>> on Beam channel and limited history). We already received new member
>>> request that we can't accept for now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 03/22/2017 10:37 PM, Craig Russell wrote:
>>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There was a pretty extensive discussion on the netbeans dev list.
I’d
>>> encourage you to review this thread https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>>> 2dce365d03334c82d31b12c8b3dcad1a925a2f71af75658b8d8a5a07@%
>>> 3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can get all of the messages in the thread by doing a quick search
>>> for “slack” on the dev@netbeans.apache.org list in lists.apache.org.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My takeaway is that Slack not a substitute for email. But it is useful
>>> for ping-pong communication when people are in the heat of development.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But no decisions are made on Slack, and any discussion there (aside
>>> from “add a semicolon there” and “let’s get lunch") needs to be brought
>>> back to the dev list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The underlying principle is that “if it didn’t happen on dev,
then it
>>> didn’t happen”. We strive for open, inclusive communications at Apache and
>>> that means attempting to encourage participation by everyone who wants to,
>>> regardless of primary language, time zone, and availability of tools. (We
>>> assume everyone has a device that handles email clients).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, James Bognar <jamesbognar@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can someone remind me?  I thought there was a discussion a couple
of
>>> months
>>>>>>> ago about allowing incubator projects to use Slack for
>>> communication.  What
>>>>>>> was the final decision?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> clr@apache.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>> jbonofre@apache.org
>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
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> 
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> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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